Do citizens really need guns for protection...

[INCINR8]

Originally Posted by NUTTSGT

He didn't say legally.

True, true.............

[J's 89]

We are discussing the laws in CA, I thought that would be assumed.

[seijirou]

I just don't understand the mentality of "oh well I'm not getting butt-porked *too* hard, I mean it's just the tip which is practically nothing at all!"

Liberty is never ever given up in one fell swoop. It's chipped away little by little, and the populace talk themselves into believing it's okay, it's not that bad, it's practically the same...

[seijirou]

Originally Posted by P63

BTW, seijirou, what does your username mean?

JP hinted at it. It's a character from an Anime, Rurouni Kenshin, that I liked a lot when I was a teenager. I took the name for an email address back then and it just stuck. One of those names that is always available everywhere so I've just kept using it.

[P63]

All I can say is that the Cal gun laws grandfather in all sorts of equipment, typically ban by specific model number, and are generally irrelevant to the real world.

The only real gotchas are (get this)
1. Can't take the rifles out of state.
2. Can't transfer ownership, will them to family, etc.
3. Can only transport them directly between home and the range, no exceptions.

I can live with 1 & 3. Hopefully restriction 2 will be removed before I need it.

[Chauncy]

I couldn't live with any of those three bull#### rules. Those are so god damn dumb. Glad I live in a state where I can have a loaded 12 gauge on my front seat.

[INCINR8]

Originally Posted by P63

All I can say is that the Cal gun laws grandfather in all sorts of equipment, typically ban by specific model number, and are generally irrelevant to the real world.

The only real gotchas are (get this)
1. Can't take the rifles out of state.
2. Can't transfer ownership, will them to family, etc.
3. Can only transport them directly between home and the range, no exceptions.

I can live with 1 & 3. Hopefully restriction 2 will be removed before I need it.

You can take them out of state as long as they are legal in the state you are in. You can also bring it back in as long as you have the proper registration.

[r.barn]

[shame302]

Originally Posted by INCINR8

You can take them out of state as long as they are legal in the state you are in. You can also bring it back in as long as you have the proper registration.

The new Federal Reciprocity act covers state to state carry now does it not?

[INCINR8]

It's in the works but that's ccw.

[P63]

Originally Posted by INCINR8

You can take them out of state as long as they are legal in the state you are in. You can also bring it back in as long as you have the proper registration.

I don't even know anymore. I dodged a bullet, figuratively, when I moved from Northern Cal to So Cal... the law doesn't allow exceptions for moving from a previous residence to a new one.

... good thing that I stopped at a range along the way!

[Ordie]

I cant own this gun in CA

[J's 89]

Owning a picture of that gun is illegal in CA.

[Ordie]

lol


I think theres like 5 things on this gun that makes it illegal in CA.

Flash Hider
Bayonet Lug (why? Its a gun I doubt Id ever be close enough to stab someone with an attached bayonet)
Pistol grip
30rd mag
Collapseable stock

[BadAndy]

Originally Posted by Ordie

lol


I think theres like 5 things on this gun that makes it illegal in CA.

Flash Hider
Bayonet Lug (why? Its a gun I doubt Id ever be close enough to stab someone with an attached bayonet)
Pistol grip
30rd mag
Collapseable stock

Everybody knows that those things make it more lethal. Especially shoulder things that go up.

[mmeans]

We all know the flash supressor turns regular lead into radioactive polonium 210 so even if you are just in 30' of a bullet you will die in short order.


Michael Means

[J's 89]

Originally Posted by Ordie

lol


I think theres like 5 things on this gun that makes it illegal in CA.

Flash Hider
Bayonet Lug (why? Its a gun I doubt Id ever be close enough to stab someone with an attached bayonet)
Pistol grip
30rd mag
Collapseable stock

I'd say you pretty much nailed th whole list, except the grenade launcher.

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and
any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept
more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one
of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or
silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows
the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that
encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol
grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

[BadAndy]

It blows my mind that they banned an item that would prevent the shooter from burning themselves if they touched the hot barrel.

[J's 89]

You mean like the stock or forearm on ANY rifle?

[mmeans]

It's CA, they hate Americans.


Michael Means

[Ordie]

Originally Posted by J's 89

I'd say you pretty much nailed th whole list, except the grenade launcher.

Yea but I dont have a M203 on any personal weapon. Im not even sure how it attaches to it. I thought it has something to do with either the lug or the indentation around the barrel



I really do wish I got to use the ones that were on the M16's the Marines I was stationed with haed.

[J's 89]

I'm not sure about the 203. The 320 just slides on the rail and locks on the bayonet lug.

[shame302]

Originally Posted by Ordie

lol


I think theres like 5 things on this gun that makes it illegal in CA.

Flash Hider
Bayonet Lug (why? Its a gun I doubt Id ever be close enough to stab someone with an attached bayonet)
Pistol grip
30rd mag
Collapseable stock

All reasons it's illegal in MA. as well.

[TS 95Cobra]

Originally Posted by MFE

Show the statistics, and just as importantly, their source.



And how many stopped a crime from being committed without having to actually discharge their guns? Hint: You won't find the answer on whatever contrived agenda-bearing site you found your other "stats".

Wait...what? You mean if we ban guns, then *poof* they go away? Just like that? That's some amazing #### right there.

X a billion! The statistics used are GARBAGE. The lightning statistic is garbage. If you are trolling the Brady center or whatever name they are using now doesn't make them accurate. Garbage is garbage!!!!

tim

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by mmeans

We all know the flash supressor turns regular lead into radioactive polonium 210 so even if you are just in 30' of a bullet you will die in short order.


Michael Means

now michael, you need to get your facts straight. the flash suppressor does not turn the lead bullet into polonium 210, it turns it into polonium 284 which is the lethal form. 210 is nothing to worry about,unless it hits you.

[TheLegendaryJP]

Hold up, you can't own a grenade launcher, Im soory but that is just wrong, what are they doing to your rights

[NUTTSGT]

Originally Posted by Ordie

I cant own this gun in CA

Yes, those are illegal. Somebody might use it to shoot a pot smoker or a #### sucking married couple and we can't have that.

[Chauncy]

Originally Posted by TheLegendaryJP

Hold up, you can't own a grenade launcher, Im soory but that is just wrong, what are they doing to your rights

Also can't own a gun with a stock that moves in or out 2". Because, well, I dunno, but because damnit. Or a pistol grip, because some reason...

For some reason, a 30.06 with an effective range up to 1200 yards is not as deadly as an "evil assault" rifle that fires a .22 caliber rimfire cartridge that, under the best of conditions, can hit a mansized target somewhere at 200 yards.

Far left is ok, 5th from the left with a pistol grip? Mass murderer.

[Bossnine]

Originally Posted by TheLegendaryJP

Hold up, you can't own a grenade launcher, Im soory but that is just wrong, what are they doing to your rights

Actually I can buy a grenade launcher...........smoke grenades.

[Ordie]

Originally Posted by TheLegendaryJP

Hold up, you can't own a grenade launcher, Im soory but that is just wrong, what are they doing to your rights

Who said you cant own one? Actually you can, problem is getting the rounds for it. The ones you can get though are more 'riot control" than "damage".

[TheLegendaryJP]

Originally Posted by Ordie

Who said you cant own one? Actually you can, problem is getting the rounds for it. The ones you can get though are more 'riot control" than "damage".

Why arn't the gangs rockin the launchers, I know I would, drive by with a launcher

Your guys state gun laws are nuts, I mean to the point of sickening how hard they are on "offenders". I read a few years back a guy in NY at a range had a gun converted to unload more rounds or faster(?) any way no biggie and he was a law abiding citizen and only used it at the range. He got ratted on and is in jail for somewhere between 7-10 yrs, sickening.

[mmeans]

And the criminals get a slap on the wrist and probation. That's how the DNC likes it, soft on crime as to not offend their voting base.


Michael Means

[Ordie]

Originally Posted by TheLegendaryJP

Why arn't the gangs rockin the launchers, I know I would, drive by with a launcher

Your guys state gun laws are nuts, I mean to the point of sickening how hard they are on "offenders". I read a few years back a guy in NY at a range had a gun converted to unload more rounds or faster(?) any way no biggie and he was a law abiding citizen and only used it at the range. He got ratted on and is in jail for somewhere between 7-10 yrs, sickening.

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That guy got screwed over hardcore I remember that story.. and no he didnt convert anything. what ever happened was an accident.

[GDDYUP2]

Originally Posted by Ordie

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That guy got screwed over hardcore I remember that story.. and no he didnt convert anything. what ever happened was an accident.

Don't know if this was the particular case, but there was a guy who loaned his AR to a friend that started double-firing at a range due to a malfunction. Long story short, the guy who loaned the rifle got a jail sentence for an unlicensed "Class 3" firearm. If I can find the story I'll link it...

However, funny as it is, this particular stock is *supposedly* 100% ATF legal.

Slide Fire Solutions SSAR-15

Go figure.....

[TheLegendaryJP]

I am pretty sure it was another case, CNN picked it up, people did a little protesting etc and still the judge came down hard on him.

I have no idea how these judges and DA's sleep at night.