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Old 11-23-2010, 12:30 PM   #1
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Exo-frame single seat Formula kit car

I'm a knats ass away from ordering one of these kit cars after the first of the year with my year end bonus and want some feed back.



I've always wanted something with the thrill of riding a crotch rocket but never could talk myself into owning one.
Just seems like a death wish to me.

Recently found this kit car: The Nemesis.

Hayabusa powered, 1,000 lbs, open cockpit and wheels.
Be easy to get registered in Texas. Maybe slap a pair of turbos on it and really crank it up.

with turbos could push 250+rwhp on a 1,000 lbs car. Be like having a Busa with a roll cage.
Comes with everything except the engine, including 20 mill sec paddle shifter.

What do you think ?



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Rather build a Locost 7.
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Rather build a Locost 7.
Yeah, but they're kinda ugly. take that back they're not kinda ugly, they're really ugly
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looks awesome how many g's can it handle

Have you looked at a caterham, they are wicked fast go karts as well



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Yeah, but they're kinda ugly. take that back they're not kinda ugly, they're really ugly
The above car is no bed of roses either

Both cars are about its "mechanicalnise"
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looks awesome how many g's can it handle

Have you looked at a caterham,
Been hunting around looking at all kinds of options.

It has same power and wheel base as Caterham 7, weighs 500 lbs less and is mid-engine design.
With some boost it should be just as scary as the most extreme 7's out there and handle better
The exo-frame cage is bigger seller to me on the Nemesis as well. Sitting in a full on roll cage.

Designer says it runs lap times comparable to full on Formula Ford race cars and they are still dialing in the suspension. Only a handful out there and all at "race schools" as their entry level trainers.

I would do some tweaking to the Nemesis for sure. More power, fatter rear wheels, front and rear wings and some kind of small windshield
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Yeah, but they're kinda ugly. take that back they're not kinda ugly, they're really ugly
Bah!

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If I was considering the above, I'd have to consider this as well...

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/

240hp stock, but it is comparably hefty @ about 1700 lbs

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If I was considering the above, I'd have to consider this as well...

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/

240hp stock, but it is comparably hefty @ about 1700 lbs
It's also got a hefty price tage at $85,000+ too.

Nemesis cost $20k + another $5k for donor engine and tires.
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Just get the Bombardier Spyder and be done with it. Of the two choices, the KTM is not legal here as far as I know, I'd go Caterham Super 7 as well.


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Another vote for Caterham Super 7 or an Ariel Atom.
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Caterham vote here. With a Hartley H1 twin Hayabusa V8 engine. Could also do the H2 4cyl that is converted to car applications.

See this for engine specs. http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562068.htm
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Caterham vote here. With a Hartley H1 twin Hayabusa V8 engine.
That engine alone cost $30,000


I guess I should have said what do you guys think of this exo-skeleton racer that only cost $25,000 vs. the $50,000+ and up Caterham 7's
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Just pulling your leg. For the money the Nemesis is great. You can wring quite a bit of power out of the engine but really don't need to in order to have fun.
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That engine alone cost $30,000


I guess I should have said what do you guys think of this exo-skeleton racer that only cost $25,000 vs. the $50,000+ and up Caterham 7's

actually I thought this was "Forget the exo racer....The caterham is the Bomb!!!" thread
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Maybe on the Internet, but how often do you see them on the road,track, or a car show
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Yet you can build a wicked locost for under $10K.
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I have been in the same situation as you....


......in the end you really want a motorcycle!
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Maybe on the Internet, but how often do you see them on the road,track, or a car show
Don't care. I like the quote from a mag I bought recently. The creator of the Atom wanted people to know the & was a very old design. His answer to that product is superior.
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Maybe on the Internet, but how often do you see them on the road,track, or a car show
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Damn, never heard of a Nemesis, but its the best looking car in this thread. With a modified busa engine, I can only imagine how much fun one must be.
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what kind of frame is it?
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what kind of frame is it?
It's TIG welded DOM tubing.



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With a modified busa engine, I can only imagine how much fun one must be.
something about like this. F3000 series cars weigh about 1,000 lbs and have about 250hp.

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ummmmmmm, yes.

I love everything about it, and it looks like the damn thing is truly on rails. The price tag seems suspiciously though, in that it includes the electronics, suspension, brakes, and even the trans. But if it is that price, there isn't much out there that can compete.
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ummmmmmm, yes.

I love everything about it, and it looks like the damn thing is truly on rails. The price tag seems suspiciously though, in that it includes the electronics, suspension, brakes, and even the trans. But if it is that price, there isn't much out there that can compete.
The trans is part of the motorcycle engine. All the electronics and gauges you get off the bike too.
I've seen a complete engine/trans with harness, computer and radiator for $2,000 on local Craigs list.

Everything else is included. Suspension, wheels, brakes, seat, 5 point harness, powder coated your choice of color
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Found a pic with the body off. doesnt get much safe than that.
Rolling roll cage

As long as you were strapped in tight and had a helmet on it would take a lot to get hurt.
(4) 12.5" disk brakes with quad calipers all around are standard. Thing must stop on a dime.

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Since it is using the motorcycle engine, does it have reverse?
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Since it is using the motorcycle engine, does it have reverse?
Yes, you have a reverse.

You either use a small electric starter motor for reverse or Quaife Gears makes a limited slip diff. for a chain drive that has a built in cog you engage with a cable that acts like a reverse gear or Quaife makes a gear drive unit with built in limited slip and reverse gear that completely replaces the chain drive, but those things cost like $6,000+
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Just to be clear about something, these things aren't exactly safety coccoons. "Infinitely rigid" doesn't mean "safe in a crash". The energy has to dissipate somewhere, and if it doesn't do it by deforming the car, it'll do it by deforming you.
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Just to be clear about something, these things aren't exactly safety cocoons. "Infinitely rigid" doesn't mean "safe in a crash". The energy has to dissipate somewhere, and if it doesn't do it by deforming the car, it'll do it by deforming you.

exactly, the same way Princess Diana was killed

But he is comparing it to a motorcycle
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But he is comparing it to a motorcycle
Exactly. It's not a car. It's a four wheel motorcycle that doesnt leave your brains all over the road the first time you eat shyt at 80mph doing something dumb.

And if you are strapped in tight enough you should not be deformed. Indy car racers sit in tubs of carbon fiber and take impacts at 200mph and they dont turn into goo. It's you impacting the car when that energy is transferred. 5 point harness strapped into form fitting race seat takes care of that.

All the bits and pieces come flying off the car but you should be safe inside the cage as long as you arent bouncing around inside it. And it has a collapsible steering column too.
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This made me giggle.
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