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Old 09-08-2009, 10:45 PM   #1
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which 1 ton truck has the highest gvwr, ford ,chevy , dodge???

which of the big 3 ,,err ,, i mean little 3 has the highest gvwr for their 1 ton diesel dually trucks . i need something that will pass the scale inspection . i will be pulling 10k-14k
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Here is an edmunds test of the 3 1-tons

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...2/pageId=98012

Back then it was the ford with 26,000 GCWR. I would suspect that if you are buying new the 2009 F450 would probably match/break that.

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I think all 3 meet that criteria but Ford has the highest. I prefer the Duramax and Cummins over the powerstroke because of it's history.... but I don't hear too many bad things about the new 6.4.
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Here is an edmunds test of the 3 1-tons

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...2/pageId=98012

Back then it was the ford with 26,000 GCWR. I would suspect that if you are buying new the 2009 F450 would probably match/break that.

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What I don't understand about the F450 is that you can get an F350 that is rated to pull almost 19,000. That plus the weight of the truck puts you right at 26000lbs so I don't understand the need for the 450????

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Also as a note I've heard if you pull commercailly you rate your own truck and pay tax on that... that and the tire ratings are what you need to worry about.
That's why you see all the hotshot pullers using Dodges even though they are rated very low from the factory but have a better platform.
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That same report named the Dodge 1st in overall design and build quality, exterior design, interior design, interior materials.
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Also as a note I've heard if you pull commercailly you rate your own truck and pay tax on that... that and the tire ratings are what you need to worry about.
That's why you see all the hotshot pullers using Dodges even though they are rated very low from the factory but have a better platform.
...and the cheapest to purchase.
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That same report named the Dodge 1st in overall design and build quality, exterior design, interior design, interior materials.
It wins for me in the simple work truck class. Simple straight 6, G56 mercedes 6 speed that is geared to pull (not be a mall cruiser by any means). As far as the interior goes you don't need King Ranch comfort in a truck you use to make money off of... I'd prefer to keep that money in my pocket.


If I had to buy a strict puller I'd have a 2wd 3500 quad cab DRW dodge or possibly a derated 3500 cab and chasis quad cab. They even come with a factory exhaust brake if you can over look the cheap grade interior and the 6 speed auto is supposidly a great transmission. You can get the chrysler 6 speed auto in the regular 3500 or in the derated Cab and Chasis the Aisin 6 speed auto for the 3500/4500/5500 that comes with a 200K mile warrany.


I'd install a good $400 brake controller that feeds off the brake system hydralics as well.
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...and the cheapest to purchase.
And the only true 3500 C&C with a 200K miles transmission warranty to boot.
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Here is an edmunds test of the 3 1-tons

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...2/pageId=98012

Back then it was the ford with 26,000 GCWR. I would suspect that if you are buying new the 2009 F450 would probably match/break that.

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thanks for the links ... right now i am looking at a 2006 f350 crew cab 4x4 dually, i will using it to pull car/ utility / equip and gooseneck trailers from KY and GA to VA
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I think all 3 meet that criteria but Ford has the highest. I prefer the Duramax and Cummins over the powerstroke because of it's history.... but I don't hear too many bad things about the new 6.4.
yeah i am kinda scared about the 6.0 alot of horror stories out there , the duramax has its fair share of problems as well . my bro inlaw has a Kodiak roll back that has had 6 set of injectors replaced .GM did end up giving him a 100,000 miles extended warranty for all the trouble the truck has giving him
I like the cummins engine but the rest of the truck sucks its sad that nobody can make a decent diesel powered truck
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It wins for me in the simple work truck class. Simple straight 6, G56 mercedes 6 speed that is geared to pull (not be a mall cruiser by any means). As far as the interior goes you don't need King Ranch comfort in a truck you use to make money off of... I'd prefer to keep that money in my pocket.


I'd install a good $400 brake controller that feeds off the brake system hydralics as well.
Preaching to the choir on the engine tranny combo, can't be beat but that's where it ends. It's a great powertrain surrounded by subpar Dodge quality.

For the interior, well that's your opinion. For some people that spend a ton of time inside the vehicle day in and day out, having a great interior is a really good option. Also having a really good warranty is a great thing to have especially on a diesel, but it doesn't determine it's reliability. Some of the worst cars made have the best warranties and some of the most reliable cars have short warranties.
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I have my own recommendations but I was just answering the question.

I personally tow with 2 1-ton dodges with the NV4500 5 speed. One has 275k miles and the other has 140k miles. The 94 is probably going to need a rebuild on it's tranny, and I think I am stepping up to a medium duty Fuller setup. The 12valve Cummins is by far the most reliable diesel I have ever been around and I have towed with all but the 6.4 PSD. I have more invested in 1 of my horses than many people do in their entire truck/trailer combo. Getting them home safely is the ONLY option. This is why I choose the combo I do. All mechanical injection, Cummins, New Venture, and Dana driveline.

Now that aside if you are needing to cross scales and want to be sure that you are legal I would think the F450 would be your deal, or even a baby semi. I would look at one of them as you can get a well equipped used one for damn near the same as a F350. They have better brakes, transmissions, and rear ends than ANY 1-ton.

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how durable is the auto trans in the 2006 + dodge trucks ?????????
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In the heavy duty world, if you want a truck that rides good, buy a chevy. If you want a truck that runs good, buy a dodge. If you want a truck that looks good broke down in the driveway buy a Ford.
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how durable is the auto trans in the 2006 + dodge trucks ?????????
I believe that is about the time they switched to the Mercedes 6 speed auto. Some friends of ours has had zero problems from it. It is not nearly as maligned as the earlier 4 speed Dodge autos.

I would check on the http://www.cumminsforum.com and ask some questions there about the tranny. I am a member there, and many of the members there are VERY knowledgeable.

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The dodge auto tranny problem ended with the new body style. Everything was new. Well, I think a few halfton 02's with the 360 got the older transmission.

The big thing drivetrain wise to watch out for is the half-ton's, the 9.25" rearend eats itself.

I have heard of no known issues on the HD line of trucks from dodge. My interior's falling apart, but it runs every time I turn the key.

My sister's Excursion's interior looked great after 5 years but it had to be towed to the dealership every other month.
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They changed to the 6 speed auto in 07.5 with the new 6.7 motor.


The 48RE 4 speed was constantly improved on from 04.5+. They never had a problem with them until you added power or abused them. The 47RE and 48RE are just 727 torqueflights with an overdrive gear. You can build them to handle as much power as you want and they are reliable stock supposidly up to 800ft/lb (like running a small programmer). The only bad wrap they catch is that they only have 4 gears as opposed to 5 or 6.
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ok i have the dealer down to 26,500, i ran an oasis report and it came back with no recalls or warranty repairs ... which got me wondering if the owner got a recall notice and never had the truck repaired because he did not take care of his stuff or he never had any problems with the truck
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How many miles?
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77,200
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Well the truck is just outside it's factory warranty, so that's probably the reason for the trade.

FWIW you can get a new 4 or 5 series Ford or GM for about 8 to 10 K more. If it's a new 09, even less.

To answer your original question, the big three are all equivalent wrt gcvwr, except that you can get an extended weight rating on the F550 as an option.
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And the only true 3500 C&C with a 200K miles transmission warranty to boot.
What do you mean by true cab and chasis?

Are the cab and chasis trucks the only ones with a 200k transmission warranty? I have two 6.7 trucks with around 130k miles. Only problems is crappy front ends/dpf clogs. I'm going to buy another one, wish I could say the same for the 6.4L.

I'll never buy another chevy duramax. Too hit or miss with problems. Atleast I know what will break on a 6.0L ford.
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Atleast I know what will break on a 6.0L ford.
Everything motor related.

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i have not seen anything close to that price around here

QUOTE=tims88;9156394]Well the truck is just outside it's factory warranty, so that's probably the reason for the trade.

FWIW you can get a new 4 or 5 series Ford or GM for about 8 to 10 K more. If it's a new 09, even less.

To answer your original question, the big three are all equivalent wrt gcvwr, except that you can get an extended weight rating on the F550 as an option.[/QUOTE]
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$34.900

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thats nice but it has two negs .. no 4x4 and no bed

i found a nice dodge dually for $26k ...30k miles 2004 ,4x4 automatic .... how are the transmissions in that year dodge .. any other problems i should be aware of with this model

http://www.dealerslot.com/lotdetails...2&R=1&offset=0
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Just a FYI, I bought the same truck, but 05 2wd, last week, with 66k miles for $15,500 off of ebay. Clean 2 owner truck, oasis is clean also.

Had to drive

On another note. That truck is still under factory 5/100k warranty. You can increase the warranty to cover 13pts for 7/200k miles. Parts including the longblock, injectors, etc, for $2,000. I have this warranty on 8 trucks, and it is awesome if you keep good service records.
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thats nice but it has two negs .. no 4x4 and no bed

i found a nice dodge dually for $26k ...30k miles 2004 ,4x4 automatic .... how are the transmissions in that year dodge .. any other problems i should be aware of with this model

http://www.dealerslot.com/lotdetails...2&R=1&offset=0
The transmissions are fine. The 04 came with the 48RE and it's a fine transmission, it just has 4 gears though. If it isn't abused it lasts just fine.
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What do you mean by true cab and chasis?

Are the cab and chasis trucks the only ones with a 200k transmission warranty? I have two 6.7 trucks with around 130k miles. Only problems is crappy front ends/dpf clogs. I'm going to buy another one, wish I could say the same for the 6.4L.

I'll never buy another chevy duramax. Too hit or miss with problems. Atleast I know what will break on a 6.0L ford.

Yes the cab and chasis the last I checked came with a 200K transmissin warranty. They use the Aisin built 6 speed auto as opposed to the chrysler 6 speed auto.

The 2010 C&C trucks will use Urea instead of an EGR like the non C&C trucks use.


I think they come with 305HP as opposed to 350hp. They come without a bed and the frame rails are flat to work with a variety of beds.


To get a different front and rear axle I believe you have to step up to a 4500/5500. As a note I hate my front axle in my 2500, but I live with it since it's lifted and big tires I expect it to be a piece of ####. I don't hear many problems about the 2wd trucks' front ends.
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thats nice but it has two negs .. no 4x4 and no bed

i found a nice dodge dually for $26k ...30k miles 2004 ,4x4 automatic .... how are the transmissions in that year dodge .. any other problems i should be aware of with this model

http://www.dealerslot.com/lotdetails...2&R=1&offset=0
Sorry, missed the 2WD part. Most 4 and 5 series trucks will not come with a pickup bed.

Beds like this are available for about $1500 to $2000, depending on the options.

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well #### looks like the 04 dodge had problem with the injectors / fuel system that they are not covering under warranty ... why cant anybody make a reliable diesel truck...my current 01 7.3 has been bullet proof ... i am afraid to buy anything 04 and up with a diesel in it
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From Ford, yes I would be too.
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They probably won't cover it because it was modded, had water damage, or they didn't change the fuel filter.
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oh yea, they don't make 1 ton's
I've always heard rumors Toyo and Cat are building a 3/4-1 ton chassis and diesel motor for it.
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