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Old 05-11-2002, 08:38 PM   #1
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Lincoln "Intech 32v" Engine - what is it?

From a 2001 Lincoln Continental...isthis a aluminum block 4.6 4v engine (ala Cobra), with a cast crank? Is it a modular motor or some totally different type?

If anyone can give me some info I would appreciate it - found a good deal on a brand new crate engine.
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Dont know the facts for sure but I believe the Lincoln is FWD and the block WILL NOT work in a Mustang. The Intec 32V Navigator is a Windsor Block with 4V heads, that motor does work in a Mustang.
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Dont know the facts for sure but I believe the Lincoln is FWD and the block WILL NOT work in a Mustang. The Intec 32V Navigator is a Windsor Block with 4V heads, that motor does work in a Mustang.

The only difference with the Conti is the intake manifold and the valvle covers (locations of the pcv and such), cams, and crank and the oil filter adapter and are rated at 260/270 hp.

It is a FWD but the engine just sits sideways. It will bolt right in.

Windsor block? as in early Windsor?

The modular family of Ford engines is completely different from the pushrod engines.

Its most definitely not a Windsor block with 4v heads.

Its a Modular 5.4 with 4v heads.

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The only difference with the Conti is the intake manifold and the valvle covers (locations of the pcv and such), cams, and crank and the oil filter adapter and are rated at 260/270 hp.

It is a FWD but the engine just sits sideways. It will bolt right in.

Windsor block? as in early Windsor?

The modular family of Ford engines is completely different from the pushrod engines.

Its most definitely not a Windsor block with 4v heads.

Its a Modular 5.4 with 4v heads.

Windsor as in made in Windsor Michigan. 96-98 GTs and Cobras and 01+ GTs and 99/01+ Cobraswere made at Romeo, but 99/00 GT blocks were cast at Windsor and the truck blocks (F-150, Explorer, Expedition, et. al.) are cast at Windsor.

So Windsor indeed, but not in the 351W style.
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It is a FWD but the engine just sits sideways. It will bolt right in.


I Thought The FWD Blocks have one less Motor Mount location?
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Windsor as in made in Windsor Michigan
Last time I checked, Windsor was still in Canada.
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You are right, misstyped that.

Still, the explanation stands.
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Yea, I dont think ford would make a special block for just one car.
Oh yea windsors have individual cam bearing caps and romeos have caps that are tied toghether like a girdle.
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I Thought The FWD Blocks have one less Motor Mount location?

This is correct if you do a search somebody bought a boat load of these blocks and they proved useless. The Motor mount is different as well as the way bellhouse bolts up.
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Its a Modular 5.4 with 4v heads.
Only the Navigator and Blackwood use a 5.4L 4V Intech. The
Continental (which is gone after 2002), as well as the upcoming
Aviator, use a 4.6L 4V Intech. As already stated, Conti block is
different casting and will not work in RWD applications.
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This is correct if you do a search somebody bought a boat load of these blocks and they proved useless. The Motor mount is different as well as the way bellhouse bolts up.
that may be the info you have been provided with however, we did a Town Car last year at Lincolnmotorsport West (our Vegas shop) that used a Conti 32v.

It was a direct drop in? No missing motormount etc?



See the huge gap in the front=FWD intake.



See the location of the fpr's?=FWD.



See the coil on plug valve covers with the oil fill waaaaaaaaaaay in the front? and the PCV locations=FWD.



This went right in and ran like a champ.

Oh and Novified, your little pm made me laugh so hard! You should really do your research before you start the crap you started with me in the PM!
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Ok ,
So Theres no Diff Between The FWD/RWD Blocks?
If So, this just Makes the Search for Donor Engines That much Easier
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Veech, whats up man? Long time no hear. Havent seen you on the LOD lately?

Anyway, all I can say is this, I saw the Conti that was the donor for the engine pictured in the Town Car that we did at LMS West. If you were on the LOD then you will remember that it was Chris P's TC?

Its a Conti engine in that car.
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Anyway, all I can say is this, I saw the Conti that was the donor for the engine pictured in the Town Car that we did at LMS West.
Its a Conti engine in that car.
That's good news for finding donor blocks/motors then. I've
seen Continental motors go for peanuts before on ebay, etc.
Apparently everyone thinks they are junk.

Maybe the blocks were different in the early days, but are now
the same. That would explain where all the info about
different bellhousing bolt pattern came from. Maybe they
switched blocks/transaxles in 99 when they went to the
tumbleport heads?? Was the motor you swapped above a 99
or later (tumbleport) motor?
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Mark,it was from a 98.
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ok lemmee get this straight -

if the conti engine is of late enough vintage, the mounts for a RWD car bolt right on? are the bellhousing paterns the same? can i bolt a tremec 3650 from late model up to one of these blocks?
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I have a 99 Intech motor I'm putting in my car. Everything is the same as the other modular blocks. I also had a 98 Cobra block that I compared the 99 to. Bellhousing bolt pattern matched perfectly. One problem I ran into so far was the lack of drilled and tapped posts on the passengers side for the motor mounts. I finally had the time to get the block on the stand last night and started taking it apart for refitting with forged internals. There is an engine shop near by that will be drilling and tapping the posts for me.

I was looking for infromation as far as what else the stock internals could be used for. I've been informed that Ford and Blue Oval News claim the blocks to be identical, both RWD and FWD. And the local techs said it couldn't be done because they were balanced differently in the valley.


MAJOR EDIT:My bolt pattern does not match that of a 99 Cobra. It is different.
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I never noticed a balance shaft in a 4.6 front drive engine. The 3.8L has a balance shaft in the lifter valley in front drive cars.The only modular that has a balnce shaft is the 6.8L and the 4.0L.
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I was looking for infromation as far as what else the stock internals could be used for. I'm been informed that Ford and Blue Oval News claim the blocks to be identical, both RWD and FWD. And the local techs said it couldn't be done because they were balanced differently in the valley.
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Maybe the blocks were different in the early days, but are now the same. That would explain where all the info about different bellhousing bolt pattern came from.
I had a 1999 Lincoln Continental engine back when I had my 96 Cobra. I had planned on swapping to the newer heads and a 99 Cobra intake during my engine rebuild. The Continental block I had, used both a different bellhousing bolt pattern, AND no motor mount bolt holes drilled and tapped into the passenger side motor mount bosses.


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They did.


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The only difference with the Conti is the intake manifold and the valvle covers (locations of the pcv and such), cams, and crank and the oil filter adapter and are rated at 260/270 hp.
The timing cover and location of the accessories are also different. The crank is also different between the Lincoln and Cobra engine. The Lincoln Continental crank is actually the same as the GT iron crank. The Continetal engines I've worked on also have standard rotation water pumps rather than the reverse rotation water pumps on the RWD engines. This is all FIRST HAND information, which is non negotiable. Not hearsay from someone else who did the work. I did the work.


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It is a FWD but the engine just sits sideways. It will bolt right in.
Not on the ones I've worked on. The FWD engines had smaller bellhousing bolt patterns, a smaller torque converter flexplate, and six bolt nodular iron crankshafts rather than the forged eight bolt crank in the Cobra.
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I don't know. The bellhousing pattern matched both the 98 Cobra block that I had, AND the pattern of someone else that I had cross referenced with. I have a timing chain cover off a Mark VIII which fits, the cobra intake fits. I have 98 cam/valve covers that fit the heads. (I plan on sticking with EDIS instead of COP. I don't have a water pump yet. It's unfortunate I can't find any information on the casting numbers on the block....it is getting anoying. I've searched here, and used Google to figure it out. Nadda.


MAJOR EDIT:OH OH! The 98 block I HAD must not have been a Cobra block either!!! The bolt pattern does not match the pictures of a 99 Cobra block I compared it too.
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blk88stang? Do you have an engine out of a FWD Continental, or a RWD Mark 8? The Mark 8 engine and the Cobra engine timing cover and accessories are identical from what I could tell.

The FWD timing cover has all the accessories mounted on bank 2, a standard rotation water pump and grooved pulley, a smaller bellhousing pattern on the back of the transmission, and no holes drilled in the bank 1 motor mount screw bosses. I owned one of these engines, and dissassembled I think six of these engines. The timing covers are physically interchangable between the FWD and RWD blocks. However, the mounting points for all the accessories are different, and there are casting ridges on the outside of the FWD timing cover for extra rigidity.

I have pics I took of the FWD engine dissassembly somewhere, and I think my old FWD block is still at my buddy Frank's house in Miami. I could have him take some pics of the FWD block if he has a chance. About two years ago I posed a whole write up with pictures on the modular forum regarding the differeences between the 1999 Continental engine, and the 96-98 Cobra engines I had dissassembled.

I will try to find the pics I took, I had them all on CD, but they aren't on the web anymore.
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What I have is a coolant leaking Tempo that is pissing me off!!! But to answer your question, I have a hodge podge of parts from all different cars. As far as I can tell, the long block I got is a 99+ Continental block. It was missing the passengers side mounting holes as you described a 99 block would. However, I had a 98 Cobra block at the time I got the 99+ block and I measured everything about it and it compared mm per mm with the Cobra block bellhousing points. So to be honest, I have no idea what I really have. The only car I know of that would use a FWD block is the Conti. It's a 4.6 without any doubt, the heads are of the 99+ vintage. It also has the 6 bolt crank. I'm just scratching my head at this point....LOL.

Here's my email address so you can get me more directly.

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MAJOR EDIT:OH OH! The 98 block I HAD must not have been a Cobra block either!!! The bolt pattern does not match the pictures of a 99 Cobra block I compared it too.
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Here are pics of the FWD timing covers. Totally different than the RWD timing cover. I can't find the other CD's with pictures.
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You don't happen to have a picture of the casting numbers on the passangers side do you? If you could give me your email address, I'll send you what pics I have of the block. I'd shoot some more, but the National Hot Rod show is in town, and my memory card is full of Hot Rods.

I've got some pics over at stangnet.

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One of your pictures in the other thread shows a block with no cross bolts into the main caps. Never seen one like that. Looks more like the 02 Explorer block than anything else since it doesn't have any freeze plug holes in the side.

What are the casting numbers on the heads? I have a suspicion of what this might be, especially since it appears you picked it up in Detroit.
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Someone needs to compile a list of motors that can be swaped into 96+ cars and save us all the trouble of asking.
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Can anyone tell me if the lincoln continetal oil pan is the same one found in the mark v8's and cobra's? Will it bolt on to any 4.6?

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Ok, here's the casting numbers off the heads:

14 373
RFXR3E6C064BF

The bar coded sticker reads:

1.6 (4VLH - 4.6 98) 081
11/24/ 0 10:52:53


Slightly off topic, I pulled the heads off and was supriesed to see flat top pistons, not dished pistons like my 5.4.
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Can anyone tell me if the lincoln continetal oil pan is the same one found in the mark v8's and cobra's? Will it bolt on to any 4.6?
The oil pans are different. The continental pan can be used on a cobra block if you use the continental oil pickup, but the continental pan probably won't fit on the Mustang K-member.
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The oil pans are different. The continental pan can be used on a cobra block if you use the continental oil pickup, but the continental pan probably won't fit on the Mustang K-member.
Neither will the Mark VIII pan. It is not as deep as the Cobra pan and has an extra capacity container welded to the side of it. It may fit with a Tubular K but not the stock one.

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Thanks for the info.
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I certainly don't want to discourage anyone, but I just contacted the guy who is selling one of these continental engines on E-bay. He says he has already sold four, and they definately will NOT fit in a RWD car. The motor mounts and bellhousing are different from the mustang. I can't speak to other years, but these 2001 engines look like they have different blocks.

It seems that the best bet is to find a 4.6 out of a Lincoln Mark VIII, or go with a 5.4 from a Navigator
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Well if the conti block is differnet then it must match up to the 3.8L bolt pattern, so that would mean 3.8L T5's and AOD's from mustangs, if they can be built to handle the power, would work.
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Ok, here's the casting numbers off the heads:

14 373
RFXR3E6C064BF

The bar coded sticker reads:

1.6 (4VLH - 4.6 98) 081
11/24/ 0 10:52:53


Slightly off topic, I pulled the heads off and was supriesed to see flat top pistons, not dished pistons like my 5.4.
Well you weren't as lucky as I thought you might be. I was thinking you might have gotten an Aviator/Marauder/Mach 1 longblock, but those aren't the right heads. I've seen that casting number before on 99 or 01 Cobra heads, so that's not bad.

Flat tops(actually almost flat tops) is normal.


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Well if the conti block is differnet then it must match up to the 3.8L bolt pattern, so that would mean 3.8L T5's and AOD's from mustangs, if they can be built to handle the power, would work.
Actually the FWD and RWD 3.8 engines have totally different bellhousing patterns. I've never seen a FWD 4.6 block, but I highly suspect the pattern is the same as the FWD 3.8.
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I just checked out a AX4N and a AXod trnas and the bolt pattern is different from a rwd car. The conti uses the AX4N. And the shop manual shows the fwd 4.6 to have a different bolt pattern.
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