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post #1 of 26 Old 05-14-2017, 08:34 PM Thread Starter
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Fox Rear Suspension MM Panhard Bar, Torque Arm?

Anyone running a Maximum Motorsports Panhard Bar, Torque Arm, or both on their Fox?

What do you think?

Is it worth it?

Any issues or downsides?

I have a completely stock LX hatch with a semi built AOD. It hasn't been tagged in 4 years until I bought it a few weeks ago. It's a weekend street cruiser that will see some drag racing by next spring. I forgot how crappy the factory suspension is and looking to upgrade. I want to do it right the 1st time.

What say you?

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MM panhard bar on mine, improved handling immensely, used my fox on road course, for sure worth it for me, no downside, will not help much on drag strip.
Have you read all the info concerning it at the MM website?


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You can ask this question in the road racing forum and get a better response. Most guys over there have the MM or Griggs setups and will be able to respond.

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Thanks y'all,

I did read up on them both on the MM site. I was just looking for some 1st hand knowledge and didn't know if I should get one or the other or both.
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I've got the MM Torque arm, panhard rod, and Weight jacker style rear lower control arms on my cruiser. I would say that it drives smoother, but then again the bilsteins may have something to do with it over the 20 year old shocks they replaced. Initially the tires rubed a lot more, had to use a BFH and the fender roller to stop it. Very happy with the ride.
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Im running the entire MM catalog.


Is it worth it? shorthand answer YES


longhand: Well what are your goals? are you actually going to track the car? If you hang out at mall parking lots, and clean your car 7 days a week, and use expensive waxes, and have a booming system, save your money.

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Im running the entire MM catalog.


Is it worth it? shorthand answer YES


longhand: Well what are your goals? are you actually going to track the car? If you hang out at mall parking lots, and clean your car 7 days a week, and use expensive waxes, and have a booming system, save your money.
It will see the drag strip and if I can find an autocross close to the house it will see that too. It 100% has to work on the street, be fun, and drivable. It will be a long road but eventually, the car will have a 331ci and see very mild boost.
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It is not going to help on the drag strip but it will definitely be nice around town and corners. I don't have the MM stuff. I have the pan hard and torque arm from Griggs but they both work the same and you will definitely notice the handling improvements with it. Definitely worth if from that standpoint.

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It will see the drag strip and if I can find an autocross close to the house it will see that too. It 100% has to work on the street, be fun, and drivable. It will be a long road but eventually, the car will have a 331ci and see very mild boost.

stock #### is GARBAGE, MM will 100% work on the street, you fox will feel like a much newer car with way better suspension. The TA will give you WAY MORE LAUNCHING GRIP so that will reduce your 60 foot times and make your car faster in a straight line. If you go TA, you will need a panhard bar.
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It does make a huge difference in ride quality and handling. On the drive home, after having mine installed, I was thinking it didn't feel like a mustang anymore. It felt more precise and not an over power econo box. I also have front coil overs on mine and the only down side is the increase in road noise but for me the better handling more than makes up for it.

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It will see the drag strip and if I can find an autocross close to the house it will see that too. It 100% has to work on the street, be fun, and drivable. It will be a long road but eventually, the car will have a 331ci and see very mild boost.
It will help immensely in both settings. A while back MM&FF built a car to do both and used the MM TA/PHB set up. The only downside that I have noticed in an increase in NVH from the TA. Rear end vibration travels up the TA to the new cross member that is right under the front seats. I track my car a lot so I put up with it. if it were primarily a street car I would stop with the PHB.

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If the car's more drag strip oriented then you may want to take into account that with a phb and ta you'll be adding some decent weight to the car

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Stock motor and 4.10 gears in my car that gets driven hard on the street and track. Stock power levels with the stock four link rear end was wild. Very easy to break the car loose and ice skate down the road. I don't understand how people drive these cars with double the stock power and stock rear suspension.

Next I installed the panhard bar and extreme duty control arms. Launching from a stop was much better controlled. Cornering loads on the rear end were easier to control and more predictable, but still violent once it broke loose. The exponential increase in rear spring rate from the rear end binding up is not to be underestimated.

Then came the torque arm, which was a revelation. You really can tell its designed well when you see how free the axle can articulate. Anti squat is completely different from the stock four link setup. Stock setup sort of jacks the rear end up under a hard launch. The torque arm geometry lets the axle squat how you expect it should. Also allows weight transfer in corners, which helps negate understeer. Once you get the rear end sliding its much easier to control the slip angle now. Sometimes I get the notion that I'm sliding around a baja truck because of how naturally the car slides. No need to saw at the wheel to keep the car sliding.

The downside is the NVH. The TA makes an absolute racket. If the clutches in your diff are loose, and the axles have a bit of play, you will hear every bit of that noise in the car. Like someone said earlier, the crossmember for the TA is welded to the SFC, which are welded to the seat brackets... For a street car make sure you don't remove the sound deadening and carpet, and make sure you have a good stereo.
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The PHB was something I regret not doing the day I bought my car. It's amazing how it changed things for the better.

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I actually want to drive a stock fox mustang just so see how bad it is.

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SOT, can you get the tailpipes on and off with the PHB on the car?
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No. That said, once you've installed the PHB, it's easy to R&R, unless you weld it on like I did :facepalm:
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Thanks for the input guys.
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I actually want to drive a stock fox mustang just so see how bad it is.
It's not horrible but when you've owned cobras, A gt500, a steeda, a saleen, and driven a coyote, it mos def needs to be improved. I had a full Lakewood with MM control arms on my last fox.
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Alright then. I need to clean my TP's up before I put it all together..
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It's not horrible but when you've owned cobras, A gt500, a steeda, a saleen, and driven a coyote, it mos def needs to be improved. I had a full Lakewood with MM control arms on my last fox.

Im so used to driving my fox like a high performance sports car that if i get into a stock one, ill have to dial it down, way down with those baby brakes, pizza slicer tyres and flimsy chassis.

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It's not horrible but when you've owned cobras, A gt500, a steeda, a saleen, and driven a coyote, it mos def needs to be improved. I had a full Lakewood with MM control arms on my last fox.
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IRS (shhh, don't tell anyone this secret) and you won't need a loud stereo
I sold the 01 Cobra because of the IRS lol. That wheel hoppin' somabish!
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I sold the 01 Cobra because of the IRS lol. That wheel hoppin' somabish!
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Mine does NOT make a racket. I bought a new MM PHB and wasn't crazy about it with stock upper rear arms and MM adjustable lowers.

BUT it was a stepping stone to MM TA. I bought that used.

Even with a used TA I personally swear by this set up. Awesome improved grip and cornering is unbelievable (granted I had Bilsteins, MM rear springs and coil over front system installed too.

You won't be disappointed. Don't fear a high spring rate if you have shocks/ struts to match.

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Id tell all the fox owners, start small MM camber caster plates and MM panhard bar. Dial in some negative camber up front, this alone will make the car handle better (subframe connectors have already been installed)

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