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Old 01-22-2009, 09:53 AM   #1
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FOUR CylINDER TransMISSION + 5.0 bellHOUSING = Friggin issues!

I bought one of these from eBay:

Ford # E6ZR-6394-AA

It is a 86-93 Mustang 302 T-5 bellhouse.

I have to 4 cylinder trans missions. One is from a 1990 2.3 LX. The 2nd is from a 1987 2.3 LX.

Both cars were acquired used but I firmly believe the drivetrains were stock. The Chilton manual says the T-5 is in the cars according to the VIN.

Everyone says the bell will bolt up. However, it is MILES off. The top two bolts are on a 8 inch spacing or so and the bell is about 8.5. The bearing retainer won't fit in the bell either.

The clutch fork doesn't match the Chilton's picture either.

I don't have the numbers from the transmissions but I can get them.

Anyone have any idea what is going on here? help!

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Old 01-22-2009, 11:37 AM   #2
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4 and 8 cyl T5 have the same case and bolts patern.

4 and 8 cyl belhouse are not the same.. If the belhousing you bought dont fit your 302, check if it fit one of your 2.3... maybe you got a 4 cyl one...
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So your sayin' it doesn't bolt up to the trans, tho correct? I think you got sold the wrong bellhousing! Contact the seller, maybe it's one for a 4 speed top loader! I have a 4 cyl t-5 in my car, got a V8 bellhousing off of ebay a couple years ago, bolted up just fine.
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Thanks for the responses.

I understand the bellhouse between the 5.0 and 2.3 are not the same. I have both sitting on the workbench.

I have not been able to test the bell on the engine yet as it was either on the engine stand or in the car for strut tower mockup but the cast # on the bell house is:

E6ZR-6394-AA

which (Googled) is a Ford Bell Housing, Mustang 1986-1993, 302 T5 5-speed.

So, 89Notch, exactly. it doesn't bolt up to the trans. The cast number says it should.

Is it possible to have different bolt patterns on the same cast #? Seems unlikely.

I figured I got hosed on the eBay auction....but the cast # says I didn't. What the hey!?!?!

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What is the part number of the case of the T-5?

That is the correct bellhousing according to the p/n you gave. It's a 86-93 V8 t-5 bellhousing.


4-banger t-5's have the same case as V8's. Just the internals are different. It should bolt up fine.
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If you are putting a 4 cyl T-5 behind a 5.0, make sure that you have the correct pilot bearing in the flywheel.

The 4 cyl T-5 input shaft is thinner than the 5.0 T-5 shaft.

IIRC, the correct pilot bearing is out of a diesal Ranger p/u or you can get them on Ebay. T-5 conversion bearing
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As said above , the 2.3 liter T5 has the same front case as the V8 did . It should be a direct fit and you will only need the conversion pilot bearing for it to work .
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Okay, went to the shop and got the info off the trans, put it into google, found the Borg Warner assembly info according to the site mmerlinn, as follows:


• 13-52-194
• E9ZR-7003-AA
• REP-AU
BW-TKB-01-00NL-7A
13-52-194, REP-AU 89 140L4-23
Bell = E6ZR-6394-BA
Case = 13-52-065-908
Tail = 13-52-066-919
Bearing retainer = 13-52-027-919
Input = 19 teeth
Cluster = 33-31 teeth <048>
Manual speedo, 7 teeth <BLU>
Mustang, 89 Borg Warner 13-52-000-194 Ford TRANSMISSION ASSEMBLY E9ZR-7003-AA

This matches the case, tail and tag numbers exactly.

I measured both bellhouse bolt patterns. The T-5 trans and 2.3L bell have 8 inch on-center bolt patterns. The 302 bellhouse in question is 8.5 inch on center. So, what the HELL is this bellhouse from? It won't bolt up but it has the right cast #...?!?!

I'd post a picture but Corral says I haven't been here long enough.
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Sounds like a Tremec bellhousing but it should not have an E6 part number . It should be an E1 part number .
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Sounds like a Tremec bellhousing but it should not have an E6 part number . It should be an E1 part number .
Actually all the SROD/Tremec bell housings I have seen were D9 part numbers.
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Yeah I think you are right . Its the 50oz 10" flywheels I am thinking about .
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The 302 bellhouse is in the back of my truck. I will triple check it once the boys are asleep and post back.

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I have two T-5's here. One is a V8 and the other used to be a 4-banger T-5 i've converted to a Z-spec. Both have 13-52-065-908 as the case part number.

Both have their top mounting holes 8.0" apart.

Your bellhousing seems strange that it's 8.5" apart. Seems like it's the wrong one even though it's def the right part number. You sure on the number? Or is a 6 really an 8 or something like that?
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The bellhouse numbers are as previously listed. I don't get it...

If I could get a pic up here.....

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Okay, I think it is solved as far as I can tell.

I looked at this thread (sorry, Corral won't let me link it) titled
"Is this a Tremec TKO Bellhousing????"

The bottom post is identical to what I have. Comparing the bell to pictures of a proper T-5 302 bell, I can see the differences.

So. Anyone wanna trade a standard T-5 bell for my Tremec bell?

I still don't get the cast # but whatever....

Thanks for the help everyone.

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The 3550 bellhousing has a D9 part number however.


If it is a 3550 bell, i wouldn't trade straight up. It's worth a little more to people than a standard T-5 bell.

A couple years ago i sold a D9 bell for $100 and then bought a T-5 bell for $25
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FWIW, I paid about $40 bucks for my used T-5 Bell I got off of fleabay a couple years ago.
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Yeah, I sold a SROD/tremec bell on eBay for about $100. T5 bells can be had for less than $50. I wouldn't trade straight up.
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Man that was like reading a good book
it's nice to have a place to ask such questions
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I guarantee its a tremmec bell housing> I was swapping a 3650 into my old GT years ago and I got the bell housings confused, lying next to each other. Both had the same part number, but the tremmed was simply machined differently, and i put on the stock bell and tried to get the tremmec in, didnt line up. Had to pull the stock bell and put the right one on.

hope that helps, you got the wrong bell housing for sure.
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Already had this happen to me once, had a T5 bellhousing with the usual 6394-AA part number that I got from a buddy of mine. I sold it on ebay, dude said it was the wrong one, what happened was I had two of them for sale, and didnt send him the one in the picture on accident. I told him no big deal, it was the same part, just not the same as pictured and that I would give him a partial refund for the trouble, since one was cleaner than the other.

He insisted that the one I had (that hadnt sold yet, so it was still here) was for a Tremec 3550/TKO etc. I told him that it wasnt possible, so he measured the bolt circles on his, I measured mine, they were indeed off. I told him to send it back, it got here, sure as hell, it was different. I sent him the other one, worked fine for him.

Never did figure out what was up, I guess Tremec bought some blanks from Ford before they had ever had holes put in them, yet they had part numbers? I dont know, but I HAVE seen it in first hand.
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Thank you for all the help everyone. I was beginning to think I was crazy.

How did rodding ever get done without the intrewebs?

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Thank you for all the help everyone. I was beginning to think I was crazy.

How did rodding ever get done without the intrewebs?

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