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post #1 of 42 Old 01-29-2017, 01:14 AM Thread Starter
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417 Motorsports tube front end

Was looking to get a custom tube front end and most places quoted me $1500+. 417 motorsports has this priced at $750, full chromoly with fender mounts (which was a must for me). I have little experience in this type of thing, this was the first time I had ever drilled out a spot weld even.

It was surprisingly easy. Blake, the owner, is easy to get ahold of to ask questions.

Things I'm doing that others might not... welding a plate where the factory upper crush area meets the tube front. Relocating the radiator further back from OEM. I'm also adding a bar to the front frame rails to support the fender/a2a intercooler.

Keep in mind, You'll have to put hood pins or something of the like in since factory hood mount will be deleted.

Lastly, its light. The box the tube front came in weighed 25lbs. They claim a savings of over 63lbs if you include the factory crash bumper.








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I will be looking for updated pics as you progress and put it back together. What was your old setup like?

I have contemplated going this route to clean up my engine bay even more and to help with packaging...might even use that as an excuse to change my hotside around for a front mount a bigger turbo, no intercooler (meth instead) and side bumper exit downpipes.


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Well I'm completely changing it up. Old setup was a 331 with small twins.




Now doing 4v 5.4 with a s480



I want the turbo up high in the passenger wheel well so I can run an exhaust out back (no fender exit for me) and I wanted space up front to put a big a2a with as little cutting to bumper as possible.
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Also curious.... I have no experience with stuff like this either. Looks to be nothing there anymore..... I don't see how you can mount anything to it lol.....

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i cant wait to get my car back and order one of these from blake! i really like the look of his set up over the hazard fab set up

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i cant wait to get my car back and order one of these from blake! i really like the look of his set up over the hazard fab set up
The hazard fab one looks nice, but I'm not a fan of how far they move the top bars in so they could mount off the strut tower.
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The hazard fab one looks nice, but I'm not a fan of how far they move the top bars in so they could mount off the strut tower.
exact reason i like the 417 over the hazard...

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Can you shoot me a couple of pics of the 417 setup?

I am concerned about not using the strut tower plates like Hazard uses. BUT, the 417 gives you tons more room. I don't even think Hazards would clear my turbo and down pipe stuff.

It looks like there is a vertical plate that covers the hole in the upper rail from the cut, but is there a bottom plate with a bolt that runs through it to help hold it up that is also welded too? I can see it in their photos on FB but it doesn't give a lot of description.

The lower core support I assume is in the stock location, but they ship this thing in pieces (got pics of it before install) and it looks like their lower slides over the main tube rails with a sleeve that also has the tab for the upper support welded to it. Can you shoot me a pic of that area? I would need to move my lower back about 1-2" to account for my radiator being canted into the bumper cover on my car. I wouldn't be using the upper radiator support for a radiator, it would hold my Air/Water intercooler.

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Can you shoot me a couple of pics of the 417 setup?

I am concerned about not using the strut tower plates like Hazard uses. BUT, the 417 gives you tons more room. I don't even think Hazards would clear my turbo and down pipe stuff.

It looks like there is a vertical plate that covers the hole in the upper rail from the cut, but is there a bottom plate with a bolt that runs through it to help hold it up that is also welded too? I can see it in their photos on FB but it doesn't give a lot of description.

Yes, there is a bottom plate. As you can see in this photo, I accidentally cut 1/4" too much from this side so I'm putting a piece of steel on the end to weld the 417 plate to.



The lower core support I assume is in the stock location, but they ship this thing in pieces (got pics of it before install) and it looks like their lower slides over the main tube rails with a sleeve that also has the tab for the upper support welded to it. Can you shoot me a pic of that area? I would need to move my lower back about 1-2" to account for my radiator being canted into the bumper cover on my car. I wouldn't be using the upper radiator support for a radiator, it would hold my Air/Water intercooler.

I dont have any before pics, and I'm away from my garage for 2 weeks. It comes in 4 pieces. 2 frame rails, the lower radiator support and the bolt on upper support. I drew this on my phone, haha.



The slip joint buts right up to the upper frame rail.

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that explains it perfectly

what kind of instructions does he give you so you know where to cut.

As soon as he offeres a 94-95 (should be same as his 98up) I am going to go this route.


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No instructions. The spot weld seam is where you separate on the inside, so I measured from the bolt hole to the plate and hit it spot on passenger side and 1/4 off driver.

Doing it again, I'd completely drill out spot welds leaving the OEM fender support understructure attached and then cut. Then you can see where line is from inside.
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Looks really good. I like it. Weight savings and more room=win/win


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No instructions. The spot weld seam is where you separate on the inside, so I measured from the bolt hole to the plate and hit it spot on passenger side and 1/4 off driver.

Doing it again, I'd completely drill out spot welds leaving the OEM fender support understructure attached and then cut. Then you can see where line is from inside.
Thanks for the reply. I saw some other pics on their FB page that also explains the folded under tab at the upper rails.

As soon as they can confirm a 94-95, I am gonna purchase it. I will be doing the install in my garage with my little Lincoln 180 myself. This will deffinitely be a nerve racking task. I've done some welding, built my own 4" dp, went tubular lower core support and other little things. Heck, I have a dozen spot rivet drill bits new in a box to use. Certainly I can install this too. Just gonna measure a thousand times before cutting.

Please keep this thread going with pics of your progress along the way.

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Any updates, pictures on this front end install? I'm really looking forward to seeing the results. Thank you.
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Any updates, pictures on this front end install? I'm really looking forward to seeing the results. Thank you.
He said on Jan 30th that he was going to be away from the garage for 2 weeks, that would suggest that it will be Feb 13/14 before you can expect any update. Today is Feb 10th, so maybe by next Wed you will get an answer.

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I should have an opportunity to do some work on it tomorrow.
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Got my plates welded in.



Everything is tac'd in, but leaving rest to a more skilled welder.











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Damn ,that looks good

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Thanks for the update. Keep them coming please.
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Blake just posted radiator mounts for this kit on his facebook.

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Thanks for posting this up. Very helpful. Your car looks great. I just ordered one for my 04.
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so how hard was it to weld to the factory sheet metal in the fenders?

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What are you going to do for a downpipe/exhaust? I havent lopped the front end off yet, doing a similar setup with the same turbo. Pondered that position but figured the outlet for the downpipe would go straight into the tire and not have enough room for the actual pipe.

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What are you going to do for a downpipe/exhaust? I havent lopped the front end off yet, doing a similar setup with the same turbo. Pondered that position but figured the outlet for the downpipe would go straight into the tire and not have enough room for the actual pipe.
I'm planning on going over the tire and down under the car.
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What are you going to do for a downpipe/exhaust? I havent lopped the front end off yet, doing a similar setup with the same turbo. Pondered that position but figured the outlet for the downpipe would go straight into the tire and not have enough room for the actual pipe.
little different turbo placement but we run a 4" pipe up over the tire in the fender. you can also get 4" oval pipe in steel. if you want a ton of clearance
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little different turbo placement but we run a 4" pipe up over the tire in the fender. you can also get 4" oval pipe in steel. if you want a ton of clearance
Oh thats awesome. What are you doing for radiator(s)? And will it handle street driving like a true street kind of deal?

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Oh thats awesome. What are you doing for radiator(s)? And will it handle street driving like a true street kind of deal?
None any more... We use to run dual vw style radiators. One was in each corner behind the head lights. But we changed that when we moved the intercooler to the front bumper. It's not a street car anymore. I think we could put radiators back in it if we ran M1 but it's not a realistic option with it making more boost and more cylinder pressure compared to what we already have
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I'm amazed at the cost and work for just a few pounds of weight. I'd only do a tube front end for room.


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Nice!

In the very first picture - I would love to know the weight of that chunk of metal sitting on the ground.

Just really like to compare the (cut off) unibody frame weight to the 417 Motorsports tubing weight. Somewhere on their Facebook says it weighs 17#. Looking for apples to apples...

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Tom i agree about the space gained. The weight savings is just a nice plus to add. Either way it looks like a very nice set up and ive looked into doing it as well.
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Mine is a 02 and the front I cut off like pictured was 44lbs. The 417 unit was 17lbs.

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Nice!

In the very first picture - I would love to know the weight of that chunk of metal sitting on the ground.

Just really like to compare the (cut off) unibody frame weight to the 417 Motorsports tubing weight. Somewhere on their Facebook says it weighs 17#. Looking for apples to apples...

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I don't have a scale at the house, but I'd guess it's ~40lbs. I'll see what i can do.
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