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Old 12-03-2009, 01:28 PM   #1
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G-force T-5 Faceplated, or TKO faceplated?

Ok, im either gonna plate my TKO or mabye get a G-force T-5, any pro's/cons between the two? Also, i have a 3.27 first gear in my tranny, while the g-force has a 2.95, i run a 28" drag radial.

Also i like that the t-5 has a lower OD ratio for cruising, a .59 to my .68 in the TKO.

I know T-5's are lighter, but im still up in the air whether i should send my TKO out or buy this g-force t-5 that i found
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Need to know more about the whole combo.
Weight?
Motor?
N/A or Power adder?
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Need to know more about the whole combo.
Weight?3160 with me in the car
Motor?345ci, R based 345, 205 CNC heads, Comp 282 cam(gonna be changing that), Untouched R-intake, and all supporting stuff.
N/A or Power adder? N/A
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Radial or slick? 275/60 drag radial.
RPM? Shifting at 6100-6200(this will change with the cam).

Also the motor is set up for nitrous, im not spraying it until i reach my N/A goal, but this thread isnt about me running a number its more to get other peoples opinions/perspectives on my setup.
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If you are going to spend the money face plating it, stick with the TKO.
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If you are going to spend the money face plating it, stick with the TKO.
Could you elaborate on that a little for me?
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If you are going to spray it I would say go with the TKO.
The 3.73s would like the 3.27 1st better also.

If you were starting from scratch,going to stay N/A with more cam and gear I would lean towards a straight cut G-Force.
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Thanks for the input, i was thinking the same about the 1st gear difference
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So if i sent myne out to pro motion would it be wise for me to cryo treat the gears?
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Im not sure if the Cryo treatment is really worth.I haved heard mixed things about it.
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Could you elaborate on that a little for me?
The weak link in the Tremec is the shifting area. Once you face plate it, that eliminates those problems. The gears are larger than the T5 and the output shaft is larger as well. Its a stronger unit.
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If you were starting from scratch,going to stay N/A with more cam and gear I would lean towards a straight cut G-Force.
straight cut gears in a t5 are not recommended for drag racing, first gear is more likely to fail because there isn't enough surface area contact between the gears. they break on the launch.
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There is more than sufficient material on the straight cut gears and they dont tend to climb.Helicut gears are used to reduse noise.Jerico,G-Force,Liberty all use straight cut in drag racing applications.
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I have a g force t5 that's faceplated in my na 347 car. The tranny shifts like butter when it's on the wood but I definitely don't drive the car as much since going to a dogringed tranny. It grinds going into gear every time I shift and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to downshift the car. I've tried raising the rpms and sliding it in gear but can't do it. Sound like the tranny is coming apart on any downshift. I really wish someone could tell me how to downshift so I can enjoy my car. I have 430 gears so I'm in fourth gear pretty early when driving around town. It's tough goin around corners in fourth gear it bucks like crazy. Someone please enlighten me. Kevin
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There is more than sufficient material on the straight cut gears and they dont tend to climb.Helicut gears are used to reduse noise.Jerico,G-Force,Liberty all use straight cut in drag racing applications.
that is the issue with straight cut gears in a t5 case. that is exactly what walt (from pro motion i think, maybe liberty) told me about a year ago.
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The T5 may be lighter to start, but once you put the G-Force internals in it along with one of their cases, it'll be within pounds of a Tremec.


notice how thick the case is
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The T5 may be lighter to start, but once you put the G-Force internals in it along with one of their cases, it'll be within pounds of a Tremec.


notice how thick the case is


this tranny is far lighter than the tremec. I helped put my buddy's tremec in, its heavy as crap. the g-force with the upgraded gears and case, is well lighter. I have the g-force/straight cut gears with the upgraded case
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straight cut gears in a t5 are not recommended for drag racing, first gear is more likely to fail because there isn't enough surface area contact between the gears. they break on the launch.
where did you get this piece of information from? Because where ever you got it from, they told your WRONG
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that is the issue with straight cut gears in a t5 case. that is exactly what walt (from pro motion i think, maybe liberty) told me about a year ago.
Sorry I just saw your repost, but I dont by that piece of info.
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Ok, im either gonna plate my TKO or mabye get a G-force T-5, any pro's/cons between the two? Also, i have a 3.27 first gear in my tranny, while the g-force has a 2.95, i run a 28" drag radial.

Also i like that the t-5 has a lower OD ratio for cruising, a .59 to my .68 in the TKO.

I know T-5's are lighter, but im still up in the air whether i should send my TKO out or buy this g-force t-5 that i found
honestly, if you already have the TKO,just have it faceplated, it will be stronger than the G-force t-5 with upgraded everything.
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The G-Force case is no more than 3lbs more than a stock T5 case ,if that.
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Well i guess its settled keep the TKO

I just talked to liberty, pro-motion and G-force.

The guy from G-force was a DCK.
The liberty and pro motion guys were very helpful though, i think i am going to go with liberty, because they can keep 1st synchro's in the trans and are a couple hundred bucks cheaper, and shipping will cost me less. I am waiting on E-mail estimates from both companies and will make my final decision from there
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LOL! They never fail to impress me with their total lack of customer service..
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i tried to speak with Gforce yesterday and got no help, they didn't even return my phone call later.
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I hate when i call people and they make me feel like they just wanna get me the F off the phone, mabye next time i should just write them a blank check and skip the phone call. The guy did me a favor though, it narrowed my decision down pretty easily.

So anyone have a prefference to Pro-motion or liberty?
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I hate when i call people and they make me feel like they just wanna get me the F off the phone, mabye next time i should just write them a blank check and skip the phone call. The guy did me a favor though, it narrowed my decision down pretty easily.

So anyone have a prefference to Pro-motion or liberty?
lol, I've dealt with promotion before a couple of times, and they didnt return my phone calls back. One time they did, but it was a wk later, hell I had already ordered the parts from g-force. I've dealt with g-force for years, with my super stocker and my mustang. I've always had GREAT help.
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this tranny is far lighter than the tremec. I helped put my buddy's tremec in, its heavy as crap. the g-force with the upgraded gears and case, is well lighter. I have the g-force/straight cut gears with the upgraded case
You may be right but it didn't feel much difference in weight to me when I used my buddies Tremec. Maybe I'll throw his Tremec on the scale (I have a good scale) and record the weight before he sells it. Then I'll weigh mine when I pull it to do the engine swap on mine.

It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
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I hate when i call people and they make me feel like they just wanna get me the F off the phone, mabye next time i should just write them a blank check and skip the phone call. The guy did me a favor though, it narrowed my decision down pretty easily.

So anyone have a prefference to Pro-motion or liberty?
I would like to go Liberty personally but the last time i talked to them he told me a T5 could not be built to hold up to my power level and launching on slicks. He suggested a faceplated TKO600.
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Im gonna go with liberty, they were quick on e-mails and gave me a solid price list for every option inside the transmission right down to the sliders. They also have no problem keeping 1st synchroeded which is a must for me, pro motion told me it would be extra if i didnt want first plated and thier base price was higher.

So what im gonna get is my TKO faceplated, they are gonna clearance the cluster, weld the shift finger, modify the cover, and put bronze fork pads in it, i also think im gonna get the surface enhancement done while its there

Also, the Gforce T-5 i was looking at had a stock case i believe with a g-force gearset.
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Sorry I just saw your repost, but I dont by that piece of info.
call walt, ask for yourself.

let me know if he still feels the same way.
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You may be right but it didn't feel much difference in weight to me when I used my buddies Tremec. Maybe I'll throw his Tremec on the scale (I have a good scale) and record the weight before he sells it. Then I'll weigh mine when I pull it to do the engine swap on mine.

It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
When my G-force was shipped, I think it weighed 84 pounds (been a while). Don't know about the tremec.
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I would like to go Liberty personally but the last time i talked to them he told me a T5 could not be built to hold up to my power level and launching on slicks. He suggested a faceplated TKO600.
How much power? My G-force is rated for 600 HP.
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Thats what i dont understand, GForce will build a T5 rated for 600hp but Liberty told me the T5 can only hold about 450 max if built right.
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I broke my pro motion g-force on the street. I now have a tko600 from hanlon and he faceplated 3rd gear, shiftin at 7k with no issues. Stay away from the t-5s unless you have a super light car with no more than 550hp.
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Thats what i dont understand, GForce will build a T5 rated for 600hp but Liberty told me the T5 can only hold about 450 max if built right.
I've heard that before, might have something to do with the G-force case or hardened input shaft. Hard to tell...maybe the 600 HP rating is bogus???
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I broke my pro motion g-force on the street. I now have a tko600 from hanlon and he faceplated 3rd gear, shiftin at 7k with no issues. Stay away from the t-5s unless you have a super light car with no more than 550hp.
G-force specifies "not for street use" on their straght cut T-5s. I try not to do too much, but my car is a weekend street car. BTW, mine is 3200 w/410 whp...seems to do OK in mine. I agree with the call you make on the the light car w/lower HP.
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