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post #1 of 23 Old 05-14-2011, 09:52 AM Thread Starter
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My Hurst Line Locker install and ABS Delete

Hello Corralers!

I had a hard time finding any information on installing the Hurst Line locker so I thought I would post a little info and Pictures of how I did mine!

For starters, I have a 1994 Cobra, which means it came with the Bosch ABS. This complicates things a little since it used different fittings that normal setups.

For starters, the Hurst Line Locker installation kit was useless for my car. None of the fittings fit on ANYTHING. This means you have to either make some lines with the right fittings you need, or you get them made. Fortunately, I can go directly to Bosch in Germany and get the exaxt stuff I needed to be successful.

First, I had already pulled the ABS stuff since it sat 1/2" from my Turbo down pipe and melted the hell out of the wires. So I purchased an extremely nice Billet ABS Delete Manifold from Home Of The Original 94-04 Ford Mustang ABS Delete Manifold! pbastian@adelphia.net The manifold is very light and very strong since it is Billet Aluminum. All of the drilled and tapped holes worked perfectly (no modification) with my brake lines. Another great thing with this was that I could use it to split the line going out of the line locker to the front wheels without any modification.

Second, I took my line locker and ABS manifold to Bosch and showed them what fittings I needed and what length of lines I needed. After 30 minutes, I was good to go. I picked up a line bender so that I could make any bends I needed (I had to bend 1 line I made).

I mounted the Hurst line locker in a place I thought would be best and routed the lines. It was a fairly quick install and I was satissfied with how it turned out. The only thing left is wiring and that is the easy part.

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Looks great man. I would love to do this with my NON working ABS unit but I just cant push myself to pay $140 for the little piece of aluminum yet haha. Maybe one the turbo kit goes in ill get one!!


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The price may seem a little high, but once you get it you realize why. If these were made in bulk, I am sure it would be cheaper. But the quality of the Billet, its Lightness (does not require straps), and it fits perfectly with the fittings makes it worth while. I haven't found anything else that you could buy to delete the ABS and make it look nice. How much would it cost to fix the ABS? Also, with this manifold you will get firmer overall breaking since it no longer has to go through all the crap in the ABS unit. My ABS hasn't worked in years.
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Nice job on the install..!!!

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The price may seem a little high, but once you get it you realize why. If these were made in bulk, I am sure it would be cheaper. But the quality of the Billet, its Lightness (does not require straps), and it fits perfectly with the fittings makes it worth while. I haven't found anything else that you could buy to delete the ABS and make it look nice. How much would it cost to fix the ABS? Also, with this manifold you will get firmer overall breaking since it no longer has to go through all the crap in the ABS unit. My ABS hasn't worked in years.
I wont be able to fix my ABS. I have a 9" which does not accept the sensors.

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Is it possible to install a line lock while retaining the stock abs?

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Is it possible to install a line lock while retaining the stock abs?
Yes, not a problem.

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Is it possible to install a line lock while retaining the stock abs?
I heard that it is also possible. If you route it the way I did, just minus the ABS Delete it should work.
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I just put my abs delete and line lock on last weekend also. Got it from Phil as you did. I'll just say your installation is a little cleaner than mine. The ABS delete piece is very well made. Took the 95 gt out for a drive and everything went fine at this point. Wired in the Line Lock but did not power it up yet as I am wiring in a zex switch and a window switch at the same time.
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I heard that it is also possible. If you route it the way I did, just minus the ABS Delete it should work.
Would you be able to tell me what size fittings I would need to accomplish this?


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It is dark here but tomorrow I will try and measure the fittings for you. The car had 2 different sizes (to prevent people from messing it up) and the Hurst line locker introduced a 3rd size!
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94-97 Gt/Cobra ports use (10mx1.0) & (12m x 1.0)

On GT's the port stamped F (front brakes) this is a 10mx1.0 thread.
On Cobra the port stamped F (front brakes) is a 12m x1.0 thread.

This is where the line lock solenoid goes to on the factory ABS pump or the ABS delete manifold.

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Yes, but I recently read this.

. The problem is that there does not exist a M12 x 1.0 thread union with bubble seats to adapt the stock brake line to the line lock lines. If an M12 x 1.0 union existed, you could use another M12 x 1.0 male to female adapter to adapt the M12 x 1.0 union to a 3/16" line with 3/8"-24 thread tube nut. But, an M12 x 1.0 union does not exist. I call everyone (I mean everyone, including Hurst) locking for this fitting.

and this..........

You'll have to cut the stock line, put a 3/8"-24 thread tube nut on it, reflare the stock line with an SAE double flare tool, use a SAE female to female union with with inverted flares. Another option is to use a M10 x 1.0 tube nut on the stock line and use the M10 x 1.0 union in the kit. Does not really make a difference, you're still going to have to cut the stock line and reflare.

Wish I had pictures of said parts or the actual parts. All this talk of double flares, tube nuts, etc.....is better seen then read.

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For a Cobra, you will have to re-plumb/flare the front brake line from master cylinder to adapt to the line lock 3/8"-24 port, then from line lock to F port using the 12m x 1.0 brake fitting that was cut off the brake line.

For the GT it will be 10m x 1.0 for the F port.

The factory brake lines use a metric bubble flare, but you can get away with an SAE double flare.

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For a Cobra, you will have to re-plumb/flare the front brake line from master cylinder to adapt to the line lock 3/8"-24 port, then from line lock to F port using the 12m x 1.0 brake fitting that was cut off the brake line.

For the GT it will be 10m x 1.0 for the F port.

The factory brake lines use a metric bubble flare, but you can get away with an SAE double flare.
So cut the hose going from the MC to the block.

Remove the nut.

Flare the hose and install a 3/8-24 nut to go from the MC into the line lock

Install the 12m x 1.0 nut you originally removed onto a line that goes from the line lock and into the block.

This sum it up correctly? I'm gonna order one.

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So cut the hose going from the MC to the block.

Remove the nut.

Flare the hose and install a 3/8-24 nut to go from the MC into the line lock

Install the 12m x 1.0 nut you originally removed onto a line that goes from the line lock and into the block.

This sum it up correctly? I'm gonna order one.
Correct, as long as the hurst line lock solenoid does takes 3/8"-24 brake fitting..

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The hurst line locker and installation kit worked great on my 94 gt. My Abs doesn't work due to a sensor in the rear being bad, but I still kept the abs box anyway. I will eventually delete it, If I don't get that sensor fixed in the rear. Took me a while to figure it out, cause all along I thought I didn't have the right size fittings. Once I figured it out, it was cake. Works great.
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line lock

i seen somewhere before that when using line lock that the brake light flashes or check engine light comes on is this the only. needing to do this to car.

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I've had the Hurst line lock installed with my ABS for over 7 years. No problems at all and have never really seen any dash lights come on when using it.

The Hurst unit has more ports than needed. Only needs one port in from the master cylinder and back out to the ABS modual.

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PLUG TO THE ABS CONTROL

SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE BIG UGLY PLUG ON THE ABS UNIT AS I AM DELETING MINE ON MY COBRA AND I WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE PLUG
TOO

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SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE BIG UGLY PLUG ON THE ABS UNIT AS I AM DELETING MINE ON MY COBRA AND I WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE PLUG
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You can de-pin the harness and remove the wires...

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SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE BIG UGLY PLUG ON THE ABS UNIT AS I AM DELETING MINE ON MY COBRA AND I WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE PLUG
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I hide them behind my radiator in the spot where my A/C cooler was. I decided to hide all my engine bay wiring and it cleaned up great. yes that is a BIG plug and it was a motivating factor to hiding all wires. It was also hitting my Turbo downpipe and I was afraid it would fry something.
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SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE BIG UGLY PLUG ON THE ABS UNIT AS I AM DELETING MINE ON MY COBRA AND I WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE PLUG
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Use some tie wraps to help hide it.

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