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Old 05-13-2007, 02:17 PM   #1
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Stock 5.0 Rev Limit

what is the stock REV limit for a 91 5.0?
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this is the base # however..... ive seen some go higher and some lower.... in my case the car cuts out at 6080-6100 with the factory rev limiter...
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what tach did u verify this with ?
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what is the stock REV limit for a 91 5.0?
Stock "rev limit" is about 5300 rpm, governed by the iron rev limiters on top of the shortblock, the steel rev limiter down the middle and the aluminum rev limiter topping the engine.

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Stock "rev limit" is about 5300 rpm, governed by the iron rev limiters on top of the shortblock, the steel rev limiter down the middle and the aluminum rev limiter topping the engine.

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when u replace all this you should have a tune and a new rev limiter
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Stock "rev limit" is about 5300 rpm, governed by the iron rev limiters on top of the shortblock, the steel rev limiter down the middle and the aluminum rev limiter topping the engine.

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this is the base # however..... ive seen some go higher and some lower.... in my case the car cuts out at 6080-6100 with the factory rev limiter...
My understanding is that Ford designed the stock 5.0 rev limiter without the use of their brains. I believe it cuts FUEL rather than ignition - which is the last thing you want at red-line. If you've replaced the heads and intake (as pointed out - factory "rev-limiters") you DO NOT want to keep bumping the limiter and starving the engine for fuel at ~6200....
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I never hit a rev limiter the couple times I went way over 6250 doing doughnuts.
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If you cut ignition and fuel is still being injected, guess what can happen to the engine? Bang, hydro or bang, blow the cats out and/or mufflers off from the fuel load in the exhaust. That's why they cut fuel not spark. As long as you're not holding the engine at the limiter and forcing load on it, a fuel cut is fine.

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u might have over reved on ur tach but they r not accurate at that rpm
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is there a way to take one off?
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yea put a carb on it get a tune or buy a ford motorsport extender for the price of a tune but why i must ask ?
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you could out in a an MSD 6AL and put like a 10,000 chip in it and you wont touch that with a stock 5.0
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My understanding is that Ford designed the stock 5.0 rev limiter without the use of their brains. I believe it cuts FUEL rather than ignition - which is the last thing you want at red-line. If you've replaced the heads and intake (as pointed out - factory "rev-limiters") you DO NOT want to keep bumping the limiter and starving the engine for fuel at ~6200....


im well aware of this..... i do most of my own tuning.... i havent hooked up my anderson pms yet. my car dynoed 387 rwhp and 393 rwtq through a 6-speed. ill be hooking it up soon. so it should break the 400 mark soon N/A.
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even if u put a msd ignition system on it u will still hit the stock rev limit because it is fuel related not ignition unless u set the msd lower than 6200rpms
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Kinda weird, but my car has never hit the rev-limiter. I have shifted it a couple times at 7000 on the factory tach. I think the tach is pretty accurate, definitely not 750 RPM off. This is all with stock ignition and ecu. Combo is below and the car is 91 GT. Not saying you guys are wrong, its just weird that my car doesn't have any limiter.
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I have found a few where the feature doesn't work, as well. Get a real tach in there, the error increases with rpm and it isn't beyond the real of possibility it's off alot.

The 79-86 tachs were WAY better.

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Kinda weird, but my car has never hit the rev-limiter. I have shifted it a couple times at 7000 on the factory tach. I think the tach is pretty accurate, definitely not 750 RPM off. This is all with stock ignition and ecu. Combo is below and the car is 91 GT. Not saying you guys are wrong, its just weird that my car doesn't have any limiter.
ya i have went over 6200 and nothing happend ... where can you check to see if the limiter is there or is it in the cpu?
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There is a function limiting rpm with fuel cut but also it's a memory issue. The CPU doesn't have the jam, with all the demands on it, to make fuel calcs over 6250, so the injectors can only lock open. The EECIV is capable of supporting more rpm, if it's workload is reduced, and some changes are made. It was, after all, used in F1 applications at well over double that rpm.

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Ok, with a carb on it, whats rev limit for an 83 Non roller 302 with stock cam
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6250 is all a stock mustang computer system will let an engine rev too.. all u guys that are saying that yours reved to 7, are pretty dumb if u think it actually did now that u know the info..

i got a autometer tach and my car has seen 6700rpm plenty of times, what gives?
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then u are pretty dumb ...if.. u think it actually did it with stock unmodified computer system.. i dont care which tach said what..
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it wont rev to the moon. much less 7k in a efi car. your tach is way off. i have a 93 with the original tach its about 650 off on the top end.
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My 83 non roller will rev to about 5.3K on a Sunpro Tach. Not sure if that helps any. still looking for a limit on it

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I have a Ford remanufactured PCM that has no rev limit. I have revved it to 7,000 rpm and there was no cut off. Seems that some one forgot to put this feature in or something. I can verify this by putting the original PCM and it cuts off at 6250-6300 rpm. I don't doubt that some here have a PCM that has revved to 7,000 rpm.
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MY stock 5.0 tach read 7000 when it was actually 5100 rpm.
Good for ego but not much for accuracy.
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Mine revved to 7,000 on an MSD tach.
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Sorry I meant autometer
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lol @ people arguing that their tach's are accurate and their rev limiters are above 6250
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I tried looking at a stock .bin file for an A9L.
The only file I have listed 7k as the first stage, and 8k as the second stage.
I don't believe this to be a stock tune though, and I can't remember where I found the tune.
(I will search around and see if I can find an A9L or A9P...)

The stock X3Z (which I personally pulled from an X3Z ecu) has 6250 as the first limit, and 7k as the second limit.

Maybe one of you guys can refresh my memory...
I think the first limit cuts half fuel (or some other percentage), while the second limit just kills the motor?

I don't recall for sure, and I certainly don't care to find out experimentally...

Regardless of where the ecu setting is, or the details on how it works...

DON'T trust the stock gauges!!!
The coolant gauge is known to be faulty, but for some reason everyone here is assuming the tach is accurate.



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Mine reads 7,000 when it's really around 6,100. Does anybody recalibrate stock tachs? I don't like the look of those autometer monster tachs that everybody bolts to their dash.
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Here is what the GUFB says about the factory rev limiter options (the tools the Ford Engineers had available for keeping the rpms safe)...

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FUEL STRATEGY - SPEED LIMITER - GUE0
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SPEED LIMITER
The speed limiter logic protects vehicle function in three stages, depending
upon the engine speed and vehicle speed (inferred from AM). These stages are
shown below.
1) Stage One: Reduces the engine's power output in a gradual manner by
enriching the fuel and retarding the spark (See Open Loop Fuel and Spark
Strategies).
2) Stage Two: Further reduces the engine output by disabling the outputs
to one-half of the injector ports. This action will occur only if the
fuel and spark strategy in Stage One is ineffective.
3) Stage Three: Turns off the fuel if the engine RPM exceeds its
"red-line" limit.
NOTE: NLM_SH should approximate the engine's "red line" limit.

Stage 2 cuts fuel to 1/2 of the injectors, and rotates that half, as near as I can tell. This is the rev limiter of 6250 we are discussing.

Not all of the features in the eec-iv were utilized for all applications...

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how can you tell if your tach is off would a msd 6al help this problem?
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you cant. its simply fact that ford factory tach's in the fox mustangs are very inaccurate. some more than others. The only way to know how far off it is, is to hook up an accurate tach to your car, ie autometer, and comparing numbers. No, a MSD 6AL wont help. it has nothing to do with the factory tach. They are simply innacurate feats of engineering from your's truly.
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they are set at 6250 because you get lifter float with roller lifters when you go this high.
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