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Old 04-08-2002, 07:32 PM   #1
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Post your dyno #'s with 302/306 AFR 165, cam, intake or similar combos

I am curious to see your dyno results with a 302/306 or basicly stock shortblock, AFR 165 or similar heads, B,E,F,X car or similar, Cobra or similar intake, and bolt ons and exhaust. I would like to see your graph if you have it.

I'm just tring to get an idea of my HP #'s on my combo.
I have 302, afr165, 70mm accufab tb, 30# inj., Cold air, Cobra intake, shorty equal headers, hpipe, flowmasters, X-303 cam, etc. Thanks...
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see my website for a graph and mods.
i made 294/325 at the wheels.
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see sig, lemme remind you, i have stock cam, and an AOD.
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there is a guy on corral who has a 93 cobra with afr 165's, ported cobra intake to match the heads, and ed's custom cam..who has 318 rwhp and is running 11.9x ..... i think his name is kyle
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That must be a nice a cam!

I'd like to know the numbers on it..
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there is a guy on corral who has a 93 cobra with afr 165's, ported cobra intake to match the heads, and ed's custom cam..who has 318 rwhp and is running 11.9x ..... i think his name is kyle
Is this the guy....

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Yes Kyle is his name. Keep in mind that the heads have been decked to 54cc, the lower ported by ED, and the cam ground by Ed. He also has longtubes. Very impressive combo. Especially the torque.
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Friend of mine has a 306 with 10.5:1 compression, AFM N61 cam, extrude honed Cobra, 70mm TB, 30# injectors, 80mm MAS with box-stock AFR 165s. Motor was built by Victory Engines (www.victoryengines.com). We engine dyno'd it at 427HP/418TQ with waterpump, alternator and P/S idler.
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Amazing power from that combo.



I get the impression that the power is in the cam?
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How does that cam ride at lower speeds? like parking lot ect? rough or smooth or just a little rough? i know that some of the bigger ones can make lower speeds a pain to stay in.
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I would like some more info on how in the world that guy mad 400 + hp with only 10.5:1 compresion and it being N/A. would like some more specs on this engine or something. thanks
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You'd **** if I told you what my 306 engine just made with unported P heads and a .500" lift cam. It bested the above combination by quite a bit. The engine was also built by Victory Engines. We'll save that conversation for after we debut the car though.

The performance isn't just from one part. I worked with Mark for several months before he went to Victory to match the parts & combination as best we could. Alot of the power and reliability is in Victory's work. They're a fantastic shop that leaves no stone unturned in terms of engine building. Every little detail is sweated.

The N61 isn't a very radical cam. Its got a decent idle lope at 750rpm, good torque above 3000 and pulls up past 6200. Mark's motor makes 14 inches of vacuum at idle too. Mark's car is a street car, not a trailer queen. The power is really impressive in the '93 Cobra.
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We engine dyno'd it at 427HP/418TQ with waterpump, alternator and P/S idler.
Holy cow! What did it put to the rear wheels with all accessories?
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Thumbs up Wow!

Jeff,

I was wondering if you were still using the GT-40 intake, or did you move to something else? I'm not sure what the current rules allow. Impressive, VERY! I would like to know as much as you care to divulge about your combo, which you may have already done.

Good luck with it!

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Like I said Randy, its a 306 with unported P heads and .500" lift cam! All cards (or at least the obvious ones) will be on the table after the Commerce race next weekend.
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for direct comparison and actual drivetrain losses. Thanks, Mark
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You'd **** if I told you what my 306 engine just made with unported P heads and a .500" lift cam. It bested the above combination by quite a bit. The engine was also built by Victory Engines. We'll save that conversation for after we debut the car though.

With all due respect, thats a very misleading statement imo. Compression ratio, other cam specifics, etc. are playing a large part in the engine you mentioned above.

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Your right about that BigRed, my combination is different. But the point is that the power is achievable. Go bolting AFR 165's, LT headers, big cam and only put 280hp is a disgrace. Mark's engine goes to show what can be done with a VERY streetable combination with out-of-the-box heads and serious attention to picking the right parts and putting it together correctly. He's soon to put in on the chassis dyno, but it should make every bit of 350 to 370 rwhp on pump gas...if not more.

Likewise, I hear people say that the factory cast-iron heads are junk...don't have the flow numbers...valves are too small. Truth is that they've got fantastic potential; its up to us to find the way to release that potential. My statement isn't misleading at all, a N/A 306 can make good power in many forms. If people are willing to settle for the B-cam then they'll get B-cam performance; same is true for every other piece in a given combination. We've got guys knocking on the door of 10's on normally aspirated, P-headed (unported to boot), .500" lift cam, shorty header combinations. The know-how is out there, so why settle for 300rwhp from a 347 stroker?
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You are right on the money Jeff. Too many guys buying strokers and still not making power.
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Jesse H has the most impressive TRACK times of anyone I know for a AFR combo like his. He runs basically the same stuff as me with a touch better intake (edelbrock performer) and runs about 4 mph faster. I'm very happy with the way mine runs though.

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AFR 165cc heads angle milled to 54cc (9.8:1 static compression)
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FTI cam 219/224 .533/.547
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timing at 15 degrees initial
tuning on the dyno

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Everything is else is as it was from the factory. My clutch is "less driveable" than my cam. Idles as smooth as silk.

I don't have a roll bar...and I won't put one in. Its retired from runs on slicks. I might work on my driving and hope to get in the 11's NA on my nittos.

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