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Old 11-18-2003, 01:28 PM   #1
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http://www.spitfireengines.com we have to our credit a 861 horse/ 731 torque 408 windsor, numbers are dyno proven to the ground at dynopro http://www.dynopro.com we can build anything you dream up from mild to wild were a full service machine and repair facility we have evans coolant and can get you a wide variety of parts
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Old 11-18-2003, 03:34 PM   #2
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I thought it was a N/A engine.

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I thought this was a tech board spam boy???? Thats nice that you built a 408 with a j trim making 860 at the wheels. Are you saying thats hard?
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hey were jus braggin dont see any engines u built up here
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and no it isint a n/a engine it has a vortech mondo and a demon residing in a carb box
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i know a guy with a 382 and a single turbo in a street car put down 860 on a mustang dyno. Either way still impressive.
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ya know i could bicker with you guys potentally forever, i have more important and profitable things to do the numbers are proven the car goes down the track. So what if it has a huffer it stil makes 860 horse to the ground and is still streetable and by the way, it does 10.7 in the thin air.
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were at 5280 up here there is a little loss in hp up here
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and those #'s are at the wheel so it would pry make 1100 at the crank at sealevel but we dont know because we never dynoed it out of the car at sea level we can only calculate #'s for that
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Down here in the low lands of the other half of the county a NMRA PS car makes 420-440 to the tires and goes mid to high 10's at 3150lb. That air must be real thin. Hummm

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have you tried to run a mile up here? or even a quater you should and you will know how thin it is
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Actualy I have
I played hockey in Denver years ago

I know that Don Walsh Jr NMRA PRO Champ from Michigan came to Denver earlyer this year and ran I beleve in the mid 7's his car normaly runs high 6's. thats funny he didn't cut his usable power in half.
We have a local shop that is claming to have a 850 rwhp mustang with a turbo on it. every one in town knows its b/s. It ran 13.0 at 122 that is a 10 second car just like yours. It just dosn't make 850 at the wheels.
Or does your car weigh in at 7000lb if that is the case then I might start to beleave you.
Go back to building you 800 hp mile high motors and leave the rest of here in the real world alone

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BFD....This monster motor barely runs in the 10's in this "thin air". but didn't it also "dyno 861 to the wheels" in this same thin air. Something does not add up here. Besides, doesn't the J TRIM compensate for the altitude? I'd think 15+ pounds of boost would. I know that Top Fuel cars slow down at altitude, but not nearly by the same margin that a normally asperated Pro Stock car does.

BTW, I've got a customer with an AOD and stock long block that runs faster than that on pump gas. And we only have a S trim on that car. Come to think of it, I'd be embarassed to admit that I built a car with that kind of power, and it only went 10.70s. I can only hope that it had a 2.0+ 60' and went 140+ MPH. HP is HP. If it really made that kind of power, on the mountain, then it should run a much better number.
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Old 11-19-2003, 11:43 AM   #16
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well it is in stock trim so yes it does weigh a lot and like i said it does go down the track and that number id true verified by a dyojet dyno at dynopro www.dynopro.com if you were wondering were expecting to pick up alittle by changing gears as it is were launching in 2nd and she still wants to roastem at the end of the track the car is very burly if you drove it you would belive it
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Spitfireengine,
As far as tech boards go this one has a lot of quality people on it that are in the industry. As you are an engine builder you know that a twist here, an input here and dyno numbers can be changed. I AM NOT SAYING YOU HAVE DONE THIS, THE POWER IS A GOOD PIECE, but it is not out of the ordinary.
As far as engines go no I personally don't have any out there that I have built, but since I work with engine builders all over the USA I have camshafts in all types of engines. I thought you
may have had a NA engine making that power and I was curious. Thats all.
I understand the air up there, I work for Stef's and most of the ProStock teams run our stuff, we even have a special Denver pan.

Anyway, good piece, nice numbers.

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I ported a set of Vic Jr's on a 408. He has a hyd. roller cam, no intercooler w/a Procharger, and a restrictive GT-40 lower w/cartech upper. He has ran in the 5.60's at over 122, and 8.80's @ 150+. I am finishing up a spyder intake for him, should be worth another 75-100hp. So 10.7's is very far off, I run 10-teens NA. He lives up above Maryland.

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Somebody made 800+ HP out of a blown 408. Great! there's plenty of weaker combos out there. I hope all you haters achieve world beating perfection in all your endeavors--motorsports and in everything you do, otherwise (edit: some of) you guys are a bunch of tossers.
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ya know i could bicker with you guys potentally forever, i have more important and profitable things to do the numbers are proven the car goes down the track. So what if it has a huffer it stil makes 860 horse to the ground and is still streetable and by the way, it does 10.7 in the thin air.

10.7 with 860 H/P, now I am impressed
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I would think with that kind of power It should run 8's shouldnt it? 10.7? ( with the blower unhooked lol...)
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3100lb car, 640hp, 3500 ft actual track elevation, because of the heat in Tucson corrected that day was closer to 8000 ft. 10.28 @134 mph..
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well heres an update since i get my info 2nd hand the car ran a 10.02 smoking the tires through the traps there an 8 in there some where the rear susp is basically stock so there may be an issue there trust me they will get it dialed in
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i thought you were not gonna argue potentially forever
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Spitfire you should just delete this thread it makes you and your company look dumb. I think you can do it with the "edit post" button.
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well heres an update since i get my info 2nd hand the car ran a 10.02 smoking the tires through the traps there an 8 in there some where the rear susp is basically stock so there may be an issue there trust me they will get it dialed in
gaining over 1 full second? well figure it this way, every 100lbs removed should net a 10th reduction in E.T. so hey! drop 1000lbs and you should run a 9.02....lol
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Dudes tone down on the pi$$ing match, its not easy putting down 800+ Hp with stock or non drag suspension let alone 600+,the guy said there was lots of wheel spin therefore the not so stellar track times.Rair enough the altitude excuse may no cut it but there are serios traction issues. If everyone here built their FIRST 850+ rwHp engine of course you want to share it ,not necessarily saying your achievement is better than anyone elses. Class act on CStraub's part saying it as it is wiyhout slagging anyone.
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i know you can go 10's on 425 yeah that should go 8's geez mine is only 440 aththe wheels and 10's no prob lem but my track is onlly at 645 ft bet i would go like 14 flat there
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That hp/ET ratio sounds like a Supra.
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FWIW guys, I made 770 RWHP at only 4900 and 834 RWTQ with 18 psi of boost but we couldn't pull the engine any higher because my motor was going lean up top so we aborted the rest of the pull. In fact my car was dynoed by Springfield motorsports.

With stock azz suspension and a T-5, I have only mustered a 11.11 at 138 and that was with just 12 psi of boost. So I can see why they may not have an ET to brag about. My car was stable, just spun pretty easily. I know that with a automatic and some suspension, it should run hard then......where in the 1/4...I dunno. I wished that we could have pulled all the way to 6000. I think it would have at least made 800+ RWHP and my combo is a R302 with a 3.00 stroke SCAT crank and 5.090 Eagle H-beam rods with Ross XL400 standard bore pistons. I have TFS high ports with a Ford Motorsopts F-303 cam and a PT-74 turbocharger.

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the #s are impressive, but Id hate to think with 800 rwhp I could only run a 10.7, you have the power now work on getting it to the ground..Professionalism is just that and only the experianced shops can get reliable Hp #'s that's great, but a 10.7? if I was the car owner I would make a trip to a lower altitude track to make sure I had the #'s advertised..that set-up isnt cheap and Id want to make sure I had my money's worth..but bragging on a supposedly 800rwhp car that runs 10.7? you just have to expect a little flack..thats like saying a stock mustang makes 400hp..and runs 14's not exactly bragging right's if you get my drift...but thats MY .02......
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the #s are impressive, but Id hate to think with 800 rwhp I could only run a 10.7, you have the power now work on getting it to the ground..Professionalism is just that and only the experianced shops can get reliable Hp #'s that's great, but a 10.7? if I was the car owner I would make a trip to a lower altitude track to make sure I had the #'s advertised..that set-up isnt cheap and Id want to make sure I had my money's worth..but bragging on a supposedly 800rwhp car that runs 10.7? you just have to expect a little flack..thats like saying a stock mustang makes 400hp..and runs 14's not exactly bragging right's if you get my drift...but thats MY .02......

He replied back with mis-information that he got second hand and said the car actually had been 10.02 and not the originally posted 10.7
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I agree that hp is a #, and don't mean a thing on the track. Look at my weak 451 rwhp(NA), sure it was not right, and not tuned. But it still ran 6.49@107/10 teens@130+, weighing 3150lbs, and with a 1.43 60ft. So I would pay more attention to times, rather than hp#'s.

I find it hard to believe, anybody would have a T-5 behind a 770+ rwhp car.

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The thing is, unless the car is in full on tire blaze in the traps, the MPH should be an indication of the HP.

I couldn't imagine someone spending the money to build a 400 hp engine and then leaving a pathetic T5 behind it. Building more than that and leaving that little rubber band as the conection to the rear wheels is an exercise in money thrown in the garbage.
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