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Old 10-18-2009, 04:00 PM   #1
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cam 4 carbed street 347

hey guys, building a 348 ci ford with je srp comp hgt 1.110 at 431 grams -5cc coated flat tops. looking at the FAST AS CASH TFS 190 cc heads. allready have a road demon 625 carb and edel rpm manifold. 1 5/8 shorty headers with 2 1/2 exhaust. car is a 85 coupe with a tko {26## and trq arm/ phb and big brakes. car will be street driven and is a weekend fun car. looking for a camshaft that will idle and be civilized at low rpms. run like a raped ape in mid/high 6000 rpms. need vacumn for brakes only. i am older and not looking to give and get. like numbers on tfs 2 cam, any shelf cam recommendations or go custom cam. looking for a great street combo that can by d/r or open tracked but 90% street. money is a issue! thxs for your replies.
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look at a 205cc head, comp cam XE282HR, vic jr intake, TFS stage 2 is too small.

headers too small along with the exhaust, IMO.

u r putting 302 parts on a 347/348. expect 302 power.
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thxs for reply, looked at the canfields 192 with a jay cam 1800.00 combo. great head, better cam designer. just a little bit out of price range now. victor jr intake with a 282 cam on the highway at 1800 rpm 5th gear. would be a bucking mess. looking for a cam/combo that can run smoothly on highway at 2000 rpm w/3.55S. operating range of 2000 to 6200rpm. centerline at 112 - 114 10 degree more exhaust. trying not to spend 400.00 for a custom(tfs at 170) any help?
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I just put a XE274HR in my car. Hoping for 400rwhp and like stock driveability.
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wow man do you guys even read the criteria? or do you just jump to the biggest heads and cam you can stick in there?

you can pick up a used F303 cheap and it will be very civilized and fit the criteria you are looking for. obviously a custom will make more power
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wow man do you guys even read the criteria? or do you just jump to the biggest heads and cam you can stick in there?

you can pick up a used F303 cheap and it will be very civilized and fit the criteria you are looking for. obviously a custom will make more power
You can also put some GT40P heads on there with a B303 cam for less than $500 probably. Does that make it a good idea? If you cant afford this hobby then maybe you should take up something else....is gardening expensive?
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did you miss that he wants basically stock drivibility and lug the motor down in 5th?

who said gt40p's and b303? wtf??

i dunno, ive been told gardening is expensive...

his criteria, not mine, not yours, LISTEN to the wants of the poster-
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What do the size of the heads have to do with driveability and being able to lug the motor down in 5th? And a 282 cam is not that big at all man....
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190cc FAC are big heads! and they are defiantely on the big side for rpm intake, 625 carb, 1 5/8 shortie headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, 3.55's. add 205's and xe282hr and this thing will be a mismatched pig. are you kidding me?

you obviously dont pay any attention to what hes looking for, if he cant spend $1800 on canfields and a custom cam hes not gonna change his whole combo and its not what he looking for in the first place
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stopsign32v- you should really look into the aussie 3v heads, a tunnel ram, and a pair of dominators, .700lift solid roller, 2 1/8to 2 1/4 step headers, 3 1/2" collector extensions, 5.13 gears and a jerico. that WILL make crazy power, you can spin it to 9500, you'll have the biggest of everything, and you can pretend the drivibilty is good and it will cruise at 1800
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you obviously dont pay any attention to what hes looking for
Did you miss the part where he wants to have his motor "run like a raped ape in mid/high 6000 rpms". Big heads and intake do NOT mean it will drive bad on the street. Hell I have 205cnc heads on a little 331, and I drive this car every..single...day. Maybe you should give this thread a rest?
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stopsign32v- you should really look into the aussie 3v heads, a tunnel ram, and a pair of dominators, .700lift solid roller, 2 1/8to 2 1/4 step headers, 3 1/2" collector extensions, 5.13 gears and a jerico. that WILL make crazy power, you can spin it to 9500, you'll have the biggest of everything, and you can pretend the drivibilty is good and it will cruise at 1800
My car runs just fine, thanks.
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you can make good power and turn 6500-6800 on a smaller head. is that really hard to grasp?

i never said a mismatched combo wouldnt run, just not run well, theres a difference
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you can make good power and turn 6500-6800 on a smaller head. is that really hard to grasp?

i never said a mismatched combo wouldnt run, just not run well, theres a difference
What I was getting at is a cam that will make power to the upper 6,000rpms isn't exactly going to be a 2 week old puppy at 1,400rpms in 5th gear. Or as you put it, lugging it in 5th gear.

You poked fun at my car so lets hear yours. I'm just curious but what is your motor and combo? I'd be willing to bet you have little heads, small intake, and a E303 cam. I'm guessing.................289rwhp? Am I close?
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slow87GT looking at the threads you start, you are asking alot of novice questions. Thats not bad at all, ask away. No question is a dumb question. But it seems as if you barely know enough information to make yourself dangerous. And you certainly do not know enough to be giving advice to others IMO. strker347, myself, and others in here know what we are talking about and have done it. We don't go by what someone else said over there or over here. We have been there and done that and know what works. Try to listen and learn. You seem to be stuck in the "put little stuff on a street 302 because thats what most people do" bandwagon.
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348ci, road demon 625 carb and edel rpm manifold. 1 5/8 shorty headers with 2 1/2 exhaust. car will be street driven and is a weekend fun car. looking for a camshaft that will idle and be civilized at low rpms. run like a raped ape in mid/high 6000 rpms. i am older and not looking to give and get. looking for a great street combo 90% street. money is a issue!
this to me says medium cam and 185 head. im just stating your overlooking the OP's desire

unfortunately i ran into some severe problems and lost almost everything i own. i dont have the dream combo right now. ive been wrenching on mustang for 17yrs. ive been at/around the track for 11yrs. im ase certified in engine performance and factory trained.

to obtain a goal you need a combination of parts that work in harmony, not the biggest stuff you can find mismatched to shortie headers and a 625 carb

just fyi i put together a 408 combo that went 10.5@130 6years ago

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WOW , let's stay on track guys. f-cam(tfs 1) gt-40p heads i have these on my 306 now. good combo now. moving to a 347 and bigger heads and cam. i like the 625 demon and rpm manifold for my operating range 1500- 6200 rpm. long tubes well be added at switch over. want 350 rwhp and decent driveability. f a c trick flows have port velocity and valve angle in this rpm range. like the xe274he comp cams # and rpm range. looking for real world info(1st hand). thanks
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350hp from your 347 should be easy with those trick flow heads and a big enough cam. I don't believe in really big heads or cams for a 90% street combo like you are building. A rpm air gap or vic jr and a xe274 cam sounds like a really good combo, if you can tune the carb and put some longtubes on the car. Should hit your goal of 350rwhp.

My totally half assed 347 put down about 300hp with a tiny intake, a 600 cfm carb, 190 cc heads, shorties, and a small (less than .550 lift) flat tappet cam. It wasn't tuned or anything. I've put an air gap on it since then which unchoked the motor a lot, and even more hp could be easily obtained with a little bigger carb, a decent tune, some better headers, and a bigger roller cam.

I don't have a ton of knowledge, but from how mismatched my motor is and the numbers it produces I do not see any reason why you won't make 350rwhp with better matching parts.
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I ran the xe-274 in my old combo and it was very streetable. Also look at anderson cams, the n-61 would work to. The N-61 or the N-41 ! XE-274 is a really common used cam and can be had for cheap, just would need springs unless you have TEA set ur fast as cast heads up. I drive my N-91 on the street but I would not to it daily.
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wahhhh heads are too big..

wahhh... cam is too big..

Bucking can be tuned out..
More gear could put you higher in the rpm to smooth out crusing "driveability"
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canfield owned by dss? looks like fast as cast for me. wish i could afford cnc t?W. a 185 to 195 head is perfect for a street driven mustang. thanks for our input on the cams. may set up to the xe 274 comp cam.
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WOW , let's stay on track guys. f-cam(tfs 1) gt-40p heads i have these on my 306 now. good combo now. moving to a 347 and bigger heads and cam. i like the 625 demon and rpm manifold for my operating range 1500- 6200 rpm. long tubes well be added at switch over. want 350 rwhp and decent driveability. f a c trick flows have port velocity and valve angle in this rpm range. like the xe274he comp cams # and rpm range. looking for real world info(1st hand). thanks
For reference.....

Before I went with AFR-185's and a custom cam, I had Edelbrock Performer
5.0's, GT40 intake with the XE276 cam (similar but for use with 1.7 rockers, 224/230@0.050", .544" lift) and ran a best of 12.05@114 at a weight of 3340. Fairly civil and passed emissions.
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canfield owned by dss? looks like fast as cast for me. wish i could afford cnc t?W. a 185 to 195 head is perfect for a street driven mustang. thanks for our input on the cams. may set up to the xe 274 comp cam.
had the xe274HR in my R304. was not impressed with the performance. TFS HP 210cc heads, victor intake. cam was too small. I have seen plenty of 282's on the street, mine is similar to this in my 331 daily driver, no bucking, great driveability on streets of LA.
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I would go with a custom cam. They will make the most of your combo you already have. At least give them a call and see what they can do for you.
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Have you thought about getting some out-of-box TFS heads and a custom camshaft? I don't really see the need for ported heads with your criteria. The carb will take at least some of your driveability issues away.

I had a 347 with a 650 Quickfuel carb, unported TFS heads (milled a little, valve job), unported RPM Air Gap and an Anderson N-71 cam. I was very surprised at how docile it was, and how much off-idle grunt the car had. Very fun.

I see the Road Demon as being a potential choke point, but try it and find out. I ran a 670 Street Avenger on the combo above for a while, and it worked ok.

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had the xe274HR in my R304. was not impressed with the performance. TFS HP 210cc heads, victor intake. cam was too small.
Ah don't say that! I just put that cam in to tame the motor alittle for driving around town. Hope the car still has some guts to it.
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