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Old 08-22-2009, 12:06 AM   #1
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Talking post up your 351w dyno numbers!!

after hours of searching i cant find squat!!!!

so post your 351w numbers. NO STROKERS please.

I am building a mild combo and wanted to real world proof of what others have made.

My combo is
94 roller block, spreed pro trw 2446 4.030 pistons, stock crank & rods, trick flow stage 2 cam, canfield 190cc heads, trick flow R intake, 75mm TB, 24 or 30# injectors (i have both), etc.

the goal is a fun cruiser
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Nice combo, but it needs more cam. A comp XE274HR would work well.
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I had written this to a fellow member asking the same of a similar buildup. here is what my father and I built and the goals for his powerplant. Keep in mind this is a low compression setup originally put together as a blower combo that ended up being too much fun to drive N/A to justify the expense of forced induction.

First of all let's look at the goal of his engine, I think you would have the same in mind...
peak rpm of 6000. usual shift point around 5500 or so (even though the thing never falls on its face)
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have a/c
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have good electric charge with all accessories on

box stock Lightning long block
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lightning intake - unported
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Bassani catted x pipe
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30# injectors
pro m MAF.
MSD 6al
3g alternator
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Adjustable fuel pressure regulator
180 thermostat

The car is a riot to drive looks stock and gets good gas mileage to boot, as does mine. Keep in mind that the heads really didn't gain any HP. 15 across the board over a set of gt40 y heads. I would recomend AFR 165's just to be a bit more matched to the flow characteristics of the intake you are installing. That lower intake is THAT restrictive but gives FANTASTIC throttle response and midrange torque. It is the combination, not the individual parts which make the difference. Look for realistic numbers of 310-330 rwhp and 360 ft lbs of torque averywhere but idle. If that sounds a bit low don't let that bother you. I used to run a dyno for a friends shop and I know how these guys cheat their numbers into the stratosphere. The car will idle like a stock car and will not need anything other than 42#'s of fuel pressure with the vacum hose off and 14 degrees of timing.
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I'm building something simillar,
11.1 comp. 357w
TFS T/W's
Performer rpm ported by TMOSS
Ed Curtis is doing the cam

I would like to see @ 375rwhp and the car will run pump gas and have a "small" shot of nitrous also.
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I'm also considering a 351with a gt40 setup or sumthin else budgety.
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my combo is consisting of stock 92 block out of a van, canifield heads (ported), R series intake 75m throttle body, 42lb injectors, pro flow 80mm mass air, and the camshaft was already in it (tfs 1) but will take it out later on when i switch the pistons out. have almost everything to get it running...dont know what ill be pushing with this combo. its my DD tho.
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Posting what you have in the garage or in your head is not what the OP requested. I'm interested to see if anyone else here has build and driven daily a similar combo and the results they have found through hard work and careful planning.
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:57 PM   #8
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my buddys 351 w with a mild solid roller,and a set of tfs highports with a victor intake made 410 @ the wheels
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My buddy's 357 made 382hp/383tq with the following...think I have the dyno sheet somewhere...I'll see if I can find it.

- 357cu. in., 10.25 to 1 compression, max. rpm = 5800
- mildly-ported Edelbrock RPM heads
- TFS-R intake, 75mm TB, 80mm mass air, 30# injectors
- mild roller cam....around .550" lift....can't recall duration
- 1-3/4" long tubes, 2-1/2" exhaust, no cats
- 3.55 gear

It was a really fun car to drive....great street manners, yet could hold its own in a friendly street sprint from light to light. He now has a 418 that makes almost 100hp more, and says that the 357 was probably the best motor all around that he's had in the car to date. He drove the hell out of that motor and it ran just as good 5 years after he built it as it did the day he drove it for the first time.
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Old 08-23-2009, 01:27 AM   #11
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Bone stock bottom end 94 351w freshened up, Edelbrock Performer RPM heads (2.02/1.6), Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, Comp NX-274hr cam, 2.5" exhaust etc.. This is my STREET car I drive daily, made 296 rwhp on a Mustang Dyno with 120 degree ambient air temperatures (would be 313rwhp on a dynojet).

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I'm running a fresh 351w with Brodix heads (STR 5.0), 80mm Maf w/30lb, 70mm TB, Edelbrock rpm intake, magnum 281HR comp cam, BBk long tubes (1.75) 2.5 inch exhaust w/flowmasters/turndowns (no cats), MSD box, etc. Makes great power from 0-6500 rpms. The intake and cam are supposed to top out at 5500 but yesterday I held it down and it pulled hard to 6500 so I let off and grabbed 3rd real quick. I will be hitting the dyno this week for a tune and will post up some numbers afterward.
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Old 08-23-2009, 07:10 PM   #13
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combo in sig just dynoed a few weeks ago to see if a valve spring change made any difference it made 431 rwhp( air filter removed). idles at 1000rpm, power brake work, fuel milage is poop, but , its got a carb...and i dont care.

If i wanted to daily drive this motor i would run quieter exhaust w tailpipes and put some 3.55's in it. You dont need a stroker to make big power a stock displacement 351w can still kick butt
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I had one in my LTD wagon, .030 over, 10.6 compression, comp cam 224/228 @.050, self ported edelbrock performers, 780 Holley, weiand stealth intake, BBK 1 3/4" longtubes, if memory serves it made something 346/364 RWHP/RWTQ
If you've already got those parts above they'll work, you'd be better off to get bigger injectors, 36 minimum, I've got 30's in my 306 and they're getting around mid 80's duty cycle. Ideally you'd want to get a set of good longtubes, and if you can run a 3" exhaust. I'd also get a 90MM throttle body and a better cam to go with it, but that's just me.
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I should note my mild 351w above gets 16 mpg city, and 22 mpg highway..
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You sounds alot like me. I looked for weeks to get a good setup on my 351. I ended up going the 357 route. I dumped all my money in internals. Forged JE's, Eagle H beam rods and Forged crank. Compression is 11:1 and runs on 93 octane. Trickflow R intake (75mm version). TFS Stage 2 cam. Vic Jr heads that were ported and polished, 75mm tb, 80mm mass air, 30lb injectors, roller rockers. Entire setup was balanced and blue printed. BBK 1 3/4 long tubes, x pipe with Flow 44's. I was honestly expecting about 350-375 hp but builder told me with my compression I would see more. Car ended up pulling 437hp but I was starting to run out of fuel so will be upgrading to 36lb injectors and bigger fuel pump setup. The block is a lightning block that was worked top to bottom. It is siting in my garage as we speak until I upgrade the fuel system. I car does have custom chip and I only turn it 5700-6000 (not much over stock). I love the setup. I have had turbo, stokers and several supercharger setup. I am 100% happy with the engine. It will plant your ass in the back seat with ease and never seems to stop pulling through out the power band. This is my first 351 setup and also first setup without a power adder and just relying on displacement and compression. The 357 is an awesome setup. Totally happy here and every penny spent was well worth it. I studied weeks over a stroker setup with poweradder (377, 393, 408) but and glad I went the route I went. I am sure I could have alot more power with a bigger stroker or power adder but sometimes less is better. Just pure simple horsepower . Just my $.02 so hope it helps you with your decisions. Goodluck
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351W - .030 over
10.2 compression
AFR 185's
CompCams XFI cam
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1 3/4 LT's

Made 475hp at 6,000rpm on builders engine dyno
Only put down 360rwhp on the DynoJet, but is what about 110* in the shop at time of pulls.

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keep them coming!!

I already have those parts so i am going to use them. my goal is a fun street car. I have had low 9 second cars and even a low 8 second car and i have no desire for another one
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You sounds alot like me. I looked for weeks to get a good setup on my 351. I ended up going the 357 route. I dumped all my money in internals. Forged JE's, Eagle H beam rods and Forged crank. Compression is 11:1 and runs on 93 octane. Trickflow R intake (75mm version). TFS Stage 2 cam. Vic Jr heads that were ported and polished, 75mm tb, 80mm mass air, 30lb injectors, roller rockers. Entire setup was balanced and blue printed. BBK 1 3/4 long tubes, x pipe with Flow 44's. I was honestly expecting about 350-375 hp but builder told me with my compression I would see more. Car ended up pulling 437hp but I was starting to run out of fuel so will be upgrading to 36lb injectors and bigger fuel pump setup. The block is a lightning block that was worked top to bottom. It is siting in my garage as we speak until I upgrade the fuel system. I car does have custom chip and I only turn it 5700-6000 (not much over stock). I love the setup. I have had turbo, stokers and several supercharger setup. I am 100% happy with the engine. It will plant your ass in the back seat with ease and never seems to stop pulling through out the power band. This is my first 351 setup and also first setup without a power adder and just relying on displacement and compression. The 357 is an awesome setup. Totally happy here and every penny spent was well worth it. I studied weeks over a stroker setup with poweradder (377, 393, 408) but and glad I went the route I went. I am sure I could have alot more power with a bigger stroker or power adder but sometimes less is better. Just pure simple horsepower . Just my $.02 so hope it helps you with your decisions. Goodluck
i have a nearly identical setup in my 94 f150(i have a stock crank and rod's with dss flattops and a 65mm tb).i'm very pleased with the results!i ran a friends gt from a 25mph roll and the car nudged me at the end barely and the truck weighs about 4100lbs,the car run's 8.40's and 13.0's!i have'nt even had the truck tuned yet!
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:06 AM   #20
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id like to see more of these too.
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bringing this back to the top. i'm curious too.
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j 302 heads unported, stock short block with probe flat tops victor jr intake 407 hp threw a tko
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I am swapping mine into my SC as we speak. It was in my bronco for a while. It ran G R E A T...I had gt40s with a smallish .472 cam and 1.73s. Probe flat tops, Eddy1406, long tubes, and full 3" exhuast. With 33" tires and 3.50 gears, you could fire up the tires in second by just rolling the throttle to the floor. I had it going up a pretty good grade mashed it to the floor. Pushed me into the seat and absolutely jumped in speed. No pinging and on 87. Not sure what the compression was, but it had flat tops. I had about 40 hours of work in each of the heads and that included polishing the cc. That combo in the lifted bronco COULD get 14mpg if I kept it below 55. That was still running a bit rich (did not have any smaller jets at the time) and REALLY strong.

Now, with the more aarowdynamic setup, I have stepped into a set of eddy heads that should flow better. With that, the compression is going to be bumped even further going from 62 to 57.

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Stock RM 351 roller short block, TF upper and lower intakes, 30 lb. injs., BBK 75mm TB.,PM massair, CC 282 cam, CC PM 1.6 RRs, BBK shorty headers, 2.5 exhaust with X pipe and turbo mufflers, MSD dist., AFR 185 56cc hds., A9L, T5, 3.73 RE, KC clutch, electric fan, UD pulleys, for a grand total of 330 RWHP, 340 TQ on Steeda dyno, 22 mpg hwy.
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If I had to do it again, I would step up and have the crank ground down to use Cheby rods and add a bit of stroke to match.

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I hope to have this car tuned Friday. I need to go get the bottle filled first.
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My old keithcraft 359 had TFS heads/intake, 75MM TB/MAF, pretty moderate cam, around 10:1SCR, and supporting mods. It bucked and surged it's way to 345hp/360tq with a 5spd while drinking the gas as fast as it could. It felt slower than it looked/sounded and I wasn't too happy with it. It was a real dog to drive around with.
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i had a 351 back in the day with eldelbrock rpm heads and a weiand stealth dual plane hydraulic roller cam 1 3/4 headers over 11to1 compression very streetable made 410 horse and 400 foot pounds torque on a rear wheel dyno and ran high 10s at the track,i did stick afr 185s on it and picked up 2 mile an hour but never rear wheel dynoed it again
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If I were to do it over again I would have run a dual plane intake and 650 carb.
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So you want just 351 CI dyno numbers only? Or Bored out 351w's? Just asking. Had some old "STOCK" 351w numbers, just not sure whats you were after. Whas under the impression you wanted "stock" stroke and bore numbers.
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stock stroke is fine, i just do not want stroker numbers clogging it up
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:57 PM   #33
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I don't know if I believe some of these 357 numbers. You guys are making just about as much as the 393, 408, 418 guys.
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I don't know if I believe some of these 357 numbers. You guys are making just about as much as the 393, 408, 418 guys.
I do..It's just most of us 393-418 guys are using the same parts as they are on a 357..
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