I want more from my Cleveland.

[davis]

Originally Posted by kid vishus

Thanks for the english lesson Professor.

Sorry to disappoint you, KV...no War and Peace forthcoming, but even a high school graduate should know that English is always capitalized...as is Chinese, Japanese, German, Spanish and any other proper noun. Of course, your capitalization of professor is incorrect because it isn't a proper noun, but there's our public education dollars at work, right? I'm damn glad that my property tax went up by 31.4% to help cover the increasing costs of hardly adequate education.

I thought that my whole point was to LIGHTEN UP. You go on and on about like you're some kind of underprivileged welfare case with your junk parts and grease monkey mentality but then you take offense to anyone with a different opinion or a comment that doesn't agree with what you meant to say...screaming like a child about to get a shot: "Read what I wrote."

There is always another "hot rod" out there waiting to spew forth about his latest and greatest engine failure. As Kato indicates, the smart ones build them to not fail. Whose stupidity was it to not mag the crank? Didn't have enough food stamps that month or were you being so smart that you decided to use it anyway even though you know better?

I think that Kato and others are trying to say that they're tired of hearing your greatness' accomplishments admist your admission that you're a slow learner while trying to give others the questionable benefit of your wealth of 12 years of Cleveland experience. If you haven't learned in 12 years to mag a crank before using it, what can you possibly say that will interest those here looking for USEFUL tips and ideas? Look how cheaply I did it?

I'm not asking you to become an English professor nor am I one. The writing skills I've discussed here are nothing more than what is taught in sophomore English in high schools...juniors if you're a late bloomer, KV.

Maybe you could take a moment to dig your head out of an oil pan long enough to realize that if you come out here on the 'net that you're in a different crowd than your nice little "comfort zone." Some here are educated. That shouldn't stop you from trying to learn something from them. In fact, later you did use "dying" instead of "die-ing." I think that there is actually hope for you once you get over your big head attitude.

It takes all types. I think that there are definitely those who are able to appreciate your "absolute shoestring" budget approach to racing. Others here won't even take their cars to the track without a high quality paint job on it. I am tired of the shoestringers oiling down the track every other weekend because they can't figure out how to mag their cranks. I came to race, not wait for the tow truck to haul the primer-gray and 4 different other colors POS off the track. Maybe instead of going to the track next time, you might consider taking the time to build your engine right?

Quit holding us to your standards as if you've made some immortal accomplishment such as running 600 HP on stock rods right up until the entire thing blew up. What a chest thumper. All testosterone and no gray matter.

If your entire intellectual prowess revolves around your use of animated "smilies," why not listen to the advice presented here and lighten up? My point wasn't to draw attention to your crappy writing skills. It was to suggest that if you want others to understand you better, that you need to improve your communication skills before pointing the finger at them and saying "read what I wrote." If you don't care what others think of you, then why go off all balastic everytime someone questions your posts?

The world would be a better place if we could all just get along...but since we can't, let's not have the least educated, biggest ego spewing forth as if a wrecked engine due to improper diagnostic and assembly skills was some kind of achievement. Use your "school of hard knocks" to educate others about the importance of proper engine building techniques that you've learned the hard way. Of course, since that engine died only about a two years ago, I'm guessing that the previous 10 years of hard knocks didn't teach you very much. Based on your success in high school, English and Cleveland engine building, maybe you've got some kind of disorder that prevents you from learning such lessons? I don't mean to be rude, but do you know that there are social services offering help for people who can't afford it? It might be something that you can use to your benefit and spare us some of the agony of listening to you whine everytime someone pokes fun at your use of "immoral" when it comes to engine building. I mean seriously, what was the guy doing? Screwing the engine while it was tied to the flag pole in front of the court house? Go ahead and impress me with whatever it is that you'll say next. Let's have your dissertation on The Morality of Engine Building.

Brother Kato...can I get an AMEN?!

[kid vishus]

Originally Posted by davis

Didn't have enough food stamps that month .....

Poking fun at poor people. What class you have.

Your main problem is you built a high dollar, aluminum headed motor that didn't make much more power than my stock rod junk, and you can't deal with it. Yeah, it made more, but not as much more as it should have given the quality of parts you used compared to what I used. I bet you've haven't even taken it down the track yet. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if none of it was yours in the first place.

You are the jerk here, not me, and you prove it with each post. Your attitude is the reason you have been banned from at least one website/forum that I know about. People over there couldn't stand your condescending attitude.
Lighten up? You're a fine one to talk.

It's obvious to everyone that has even the slightest of clues that your philosphy is "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS."

You are nothing more than an over educated shop flunky who never built his own racemotor. You have stood over someone's shoulder and watched them do it, and claimed credit for the accomplishment.

[michael85]

can you take this **** to private emails?
I WAS enjoying this thread.

[davis]

Originally Posted by kid vishus

FYI, I had a cleveland that made close to or right at 600 hp, and was NA, used stock rods, factory crank, open chamber heads, and was not something I would call streetable.

Just as I thought...you didn't impress me with anything that you had to say..."close to or right at" 600 HP...I'm smirking at your stupidity of how you didn't mag the crank yet you brag about the power that you think it made right until it self-destructed. Talk about shop flunky! Helloooo?

At least my "high dollar" parts are still running...as if $15K for an engine is high dollar! ...and that's including $550 for the dyno time. Maybe there is a point to being educated? Imagine that...a bit of education and you can afford to build an engine properly?

Don't get me wrong KV...I've got nothing against reconditioning factory parts. I'm currently building up a street/limited strip 4V engine based on a 4MA crank, closed chamber heads, forged flat tops, solid flat tappet camshaft, 4-bolt block and a certainly nothing special Torker...and yes, it uses reconditioned D0AE rods with ARP bolts. I'll be happy with it if we get to about 450 HP/450 TQ on the dyno. It is intentionally a budget-minded engine build-up. However, I did have the crank magged!

Good riddance, idiot.

[Kato Engineering]

sorry that I couldn't respond as soon as you probably wanted, ....but, I was at the track, wearing out the five year old Cleveland....



its o.k. Davis........


.AMEN or what ever is appropriate.



and to KID,

maybe we have spent a few dollars more than what you would have,
but the point of this is that ours are STILL RUNNING,
and so,
if you devide the money spent, (cost) into the total numbers of passes down the track,......
.........we have actually spent LESS than your so called "budget" built engine......

YOU ,...and/or anyone else for that matter,

can not build TWO,

for the price of ONE good one.

...There is just no "low budget" to a budget engine.....and be able to race with it.

[Kato Engineering]

..I dont think that all the preceeding has helped the guy that started this thread...


SO,

He could get heads with a smaller set of chambers .and get the compression up to 13.5 :1....

install a well worked out 850 carb,

some cam work too.

[Kato Engineering]

.Unless I am mistaken,
the "kid" has used his ONE engine build experience,
as his example.

.It takes many more engine builds and failures to have a certain level of wisdom.

[kid vishus]

Originally Posted by davis

Good riddance, idiot.

I never said I was leaving. It takes more than a buffoon such as you to run me off.




Kato,

You are correct. If I wouldn't have tried to continue racing and used the money I was spending on 'budget' builds or fixing things that broke, I could have built one really nice motor that I am positive would still be running today. Also, I have built more than one engine. More than I can keep track of actually. I'm not a novice as you have implied.

Also, I have sent a private message to the fellow that started this thread. I have a really nice set of headers for sale that I am positive would help his car go faster. They are custom built for a fox body car and have 2" primaries stepped to 2 1/8", and dump into a 4" collector.

[Kato Engineering]

you are the proud owner of a piece of junk.....







thank you.....

[kid vishus]

Originally Posted by Kato Engineering

you are the proud owner of a piece of junk.....







thank you.....

Junk? I don't understand.
Are you refering to the headers?

[Kato Engineering]

I kinda enjoy attempting to have conversations with buffoons and idiots.

but eventually, the same Sack of Sh i o t gets spewewed about....


and the story eventually gets to the same place...

they all say...."I would have but I couldn't afford it"....



actually, all that is accomplished is that you keep the local machine shops working.


I am now tired of talking to an idiot.

[davis]

Originally Posted by kid vishus

Also, I have built more than one engine. More than I can keep track of actually. I'm not a novice as you have implied.

Engine builders who are not novices keep track of what they build. They make a file for every engine and include the specifics and the details of what they built.

Originally Posted by kid vishus

Also, I have sent a private message to the fellow that started this thread. I have a really nice set of headers for sale that I am positive would help his car go faster. They are custom built for a fox body car and have 2" primaries stepped to 2 1/8", and dump into a 4" collector.

Put them on eBay and see how many people want them. I'm sure that you'll find several interested bidders if the starting price is not ridiculous.

[Kato Engineering]

hey ,...davis,

...........here may be another one of those inappropriate or rather incorrect words that the "kid" has used again.....

....."I have built more than one engine,..."

...To "build" an engine is NOT the same as "assembling" a bunch of parts....

....all the "kid" is ,
....is an engine assembler.




HE is not a BUILDER.....!!!!



poke , poke.... poke......

[davis]

Originally Posted by Kato Engineering

...To "build" an engine is NOT the same as "assembling" a bunch of parts....

You forgot the "junk" in the bunch of parts! I picture the "kid" wandering through the boneyard..."I'm goin' racin' tonight!"

Didn't mag the crank...did anyone ask him about balancing it? He goes on about how much power he made and how much RPM he turned with it and how he never had any problems with it while never mentioning (himself) that it turned into a hand grenade, ruined the block and rotating assembly. I'll bet he's planning to reuse the rods that weren't bent/broken!

Of course, we could stand around and flick crap at him all day or we could invite him to contribute something meaningful to the forum and leave the "how tough I am" attitude behind along with the "look how much I've done with junk parts" and the "you should do so much better with expensive parts" rhetoric for someone who cares for his spew.

He has some useful stuff to contribute...if he can stick to it and quit acting butt hurt every time someone takes a poke at him.

[Kato Engineering]

yup.......









BIG head,


but a little d i c k...



I guess he does not understand that he is looked at as a fool (in the eyes of the knowledgable) to purposely build an engine that is going to blow up.

......it is just a matter of patience.

[All Cleveland]

Kato and Davis, whether or not both of you believe it, there are alot of people here that want to know about what can be done with stock or cheap parts because they can't afford to buy high dollar parts and race now. If they saved up to buy all high dollar parts, they might be racing 15 years from now. Don't get me wrong, I'm no poor person and I'm not a billionaire either. I can pay cash for any motor I want. Even a Keith Black top fuel hemi but I don't enjoy doing that or seeing people do that. Anyone can make a school bus fly if you spend enough money on it. Some people just can't afford to buy all top quality parts and be able to race while they're still young enough to enjoy it. Even the best parts will break one day.

[Kato Engineering]

all that I can say is that after years of experience,

connecting rods are the cheapest part to replace and up grade to the better quality.

sometimes even cheaper than pistons.

it is foolish to use stock rods.

plus, in a cleveland, a LOT is gained by adding to the length of the rod, ...and shortening the piston.....even if it is a stroker.....

[Kato Engineering]

.when you say,
............"young enough to enjoy it",



do you mean that when we get older, we cant enjoy it as much as anyone else....?

or do you mean that when you do in fact get a little older,

you become more responsible, and therefore spend money on the more important life necessary type of things.....like a house...?

I have raced constantly since I was 16,

and have bought and sold a couple of houses....

and just do regular work....not a bunch of money made...


.but when I build one...it last and lasts...



you are just impatient...

[Kato Engineering]

...and,

to the other "KID",

I am not bitter,
...or old,

...as you have said.

and I am not afraid to race...




.......you have not presented anyone here with anything (E.T.)that warrants me to actually run my stuff against yours....


I am actually afraid.......

YUP, ...afraid.


.what I am afraid of is your c r a p, kicking out the rods and then driving over the crank,.....and then spewing oil all over the place, ...
.....then, YOU going out of control, because you also do not have the skill to drive a car on one rear wheel,......you will cross over to my lane, and hit me,

and then you will say that I caused the accident.....


well,

I would think that some form of proof of you and your cars ability is in order.....

no nitrous.....or do you call it "NOSS" is needed on my stuff...

....but if you insist.

...but I will allow you to test and tune for a year or so more so you can make it worth my time....

untill then,
you are wasting Davis's and MY time....

[davis]

Originally Posted by All Cleveland

Kato and Davis, whether or not both of you believe it, there are alot of people here that want to know about what can be done with stock or cheap parts because they can't afford to buy high dollar parts and race now.

...and that is why I said: "He has some useful stuff to contribute."

You don't need to massage his ego. A lot of people here do that by not standing up to his braggart claims of 600 HP on stock rods with nothing bad ever happening. He makes it sound like that's the way you should be going if you're aiming for 600 HP. Hey, you don't need to mag your crank. Also, those are "stock rods." He doesn't say what, if any work was done to them. Did you see Tater's post? He says that he's running a "stock rodded" Cleve with ARP bolts. He doesn't claim 600 HP, but he does tell us that he's regularly spinning it to 7800.

Tater's comments are just as useful at KV's...without the hype and without the "historical relevance" of the hand grenade that became of that particular engine.

There is no question of budget and ability to pay for parts. KV would have us all feeling sorry for his lack of education past high school and his apparent financial situation that forces him to rummage for (his words) "junk" parts. Every track I've been to has guys like KV. They are usually the nicest guys around, always willing to help out and would give you the shirts off of their backs if you needed or asked for them. They run "low budget" engines and usually run very quickly and/or very competitively. I don't know why we get the "alter ego" online, but I suppose that it has a Freudian answer in waiting. Responses like: "Well my stock connecting rods made close to 600 hp for several seasons, and were shifted at 7500 rpm, and never had any problems. Whether you believe it or not makes no difference to me." ...suggests that our friend KV desperately wants others to believe him and side with him. At the same time, he doesn't do anything to suggest that the rods are anything but purely factory stock rods, bolts and all as we saw from Tater's response. If KV truly didn't care what others here thought of him, why would he be so ready to pounce at every opportunity and invent "main problems" with others? Or is he just trying to live up to the meaning of his name: Spiteful Imp? I never once brought up my engine before his "attack." My engine didn't have any relevance to the conversation nor is it particularly what I'd build again in aiming for the same goals as were sought by this one. I've gone on record recommending an SVO or Dart block for these power levels. I'm also building a "mostly factory reconditioned parts" engine for an eventual chassis to be named (once found) later. I'm intentionally building it on a budget, 1: because I don't want to spend a lot of money on it and 2: because I don't have a lot of money to spend on it right now. Also, I hope to write a simple magazine article on building a budget-minded 351C engine. If my numbers are close, it should make about 450 HP/450 TQ. To me, that is a very reasonable engine for mostly "factory" parts.

I think that Kato points out that there is a "real KV" and then just the one whose mischievous side doesn't "lighten up" very well. I don't know if he really believes what he posts sometimes like: "Your main problem is you built a high dollar, aluminum headed motor that didn't make much more power than my stock rod junk, and you can't deal with it." Doesn't that ring of a cornered "kid" throwing wild punches like some rapid beast?

How about we get back to the topic of building and racing Clevelands? Whether there are immoral engine builders or not...this isn't a witch hunt. I'd like KV to participate and bring with it a fraction of humility and respect for others, whether educated or not.

[Hack]

Originally Posted by davis

...not sure what you mean. Hearsay is what I meant. Do you prefer some other spelling of it?

You are right and I was wrong. I was too eager trying to defend the kid. I guess you and he must have some history. Your last post shows a more even handed treatment.

[davis]

Originally Posted by Hack

You are right and I was wrong. I was too eager trying to defend the kid. I guess you and he must have some history. Your last post shows a more even handed treatment.

No worries. It's all good.

[michael85]

davis,

You look like an ass everytime you write one of these overly wordy attack posts.
Someone with a bit of intellegence should be able to sum up any of your posts in less then one quarter the typing.
For you to now call for everyone to step back on topic is laughable.
Now you have called into question KV 351C credentials yet I do not recall your own resume on the topic.
Is there a link you can provide that gives the history to your 351C expertise?
Didn't you pay "Klien" to build your engine?
Has it yet to grace a Quarter Mile?
I have seen C's built with an amazing amount of "stock" parts, built in 'low buck' 2 car garages, by "uneducated" hobbyists, with iron heads, in the low 9s, all motor, carrying a 1000lbs more wieght then your $$$ car, season after season.

I do not know if KV ever hit the 9s but I know he was in the 10s with all the 'wrong' parts.

I have seen you do this same antic on two forums now.
The practice didn't improve your performance.

[All Cleveland]

Originally Posted by michael85

davis,

You look like an ass everytime you write one of these overly wordy attack posts.
Someone with a bit of intellegence should be able to sum up any of your posts in less then one quarter the typing.
For you to now call for everyone to step back on topic is laughable.
Now you have called into question KV 351C credentials yet I do not recall your own resume on the topic.
Is there a link you can provide that gives the history to your 351C expertise?
Didn't you pay "Klien" to build your engine?
Has it yet to grace a Quarter Mile?
I have seen C's built with an amazing amount of "stock" parts, built in 'low buck' 2 car garages, by "uneducated" hobbyists, with iron heads, in the low 9s, all motor, carrying a 1000lbs more wieght then your $$$ car, season after season.

I do not know if KV ever hit the 9s but I know he was in the 10s with all the 'wrong' parts.

I have seen you do this same antic on two forums now.
The practice didn't improve your performance.

Michael how about an "AMEN"?

[Raceallday1]

I have had some experience using stock rods. Stock meaning they still had the Ford casting number on them. My last engine, the 393 clevor, used the stock 351W rods. They had ARP studs, floating pins, and I polished the beams. They were reconditioned also. I made several passes in the 10.4s and the car weighed around 2800lbs. I figure the engine had at least 550hp at the crank to run that kind of time without a power adder. The engine failed, but it wasn't because of the rods, rather a cracked block.
I also know of a 351W that was built using completely stock rods. No floating pins, no polishing, no reconditioning, and stock bolts. This engine lasted for over 2 years and was race frequently. Ran 6.5s and 6.6s in the 1/8 with a 225 shot of nitrous and eventually ran in the 6.4s with a 300 shot. Stock crank, rods, and dished, stock type replacement, TRW forged pistons (pressed pins). All in a mustang that weighed around 2900 with the driver. The engine never failed other than a couple of blown head gaskets.

The point is, a stock rod is up to the task of handling around 600hp. But the problem is, especially in an n/a application, is the weight. The rpm required for most less-than-400 cid engines to make 600hp is rather high, and the extra weight of the factory rods begins to really stress other areas of the engine like the crank and block. In my 408, I found the 6.2" Eagle h-beams rods for that application were around 28 grams per rod lighter than the 6.2" stock 300 6cyl rods I was orginally going to use. Multiply 28 grams x 8 rods (approximately 224 grams total) and you come up with a significant amount of extra weight, especially at 6500+ rpm. That reduced weight takes stress off the block and ultimately frees up horsepower which is what you want.

Stock rods are plenty strong, but I wouldn't recommend using them in an over 500hp n/a application unless you had some way of significantly reducing the weight of the rotating assembly elsewhere. Even if you never break anything using stock rods, your still costing horsepower.

[davis]

Originally Posted by michael85

For you to now call for everyone to step back on topic is laughable.

My first reply to KV was one of "lighten up." So, it isn't "now" that it is happening. My point was to not take it so personally, especially when he used "immoral" instead of unethical.

Originally Posted by michael85

Now you have called into question KV 351C credentials yet I do not recall your own resume on the topic.

What credentials does one need to know better than to reuse a crank without basic diagnostics? By his own admission, he reduces his "credentials" to amature hobbyist.

Originally Posted by michael85

Is there a link you can provide that gives the history to your 351C expertise?

Much of my experience with the Cleveland happened long before TBL modified SGML and the W3 consortium were around. This was also before the advent of digital cameras. My profession is not related to my 351C expertise, so I don't go out of my way to document it. I didn't realize that you were so interested in my 351C knowledge...it doesn't sound as if you are interested in my "wordiness."

Originally Posted by michael85

Didn't you pay "Klien" to build your engine?

Tom Klein does assemble all of my engines these days. You make it sound like a bad thing. He is one of the world's foremost engine builders and his assembly skills are second to none. He's built engines for every reasonable professional motorsports program type going in his nearly 50 years of experience. I wouldn't think that you'd find anything wrong with him.

What you seem to imply is that I have nothing to do with the process...that I merely shove a check under his door and out pops an engine. I specify what I want inside the engine, any special machine work, the camshaft, compression ratio and nearly every part involved excluding stuff like rings and bearings. Naturally, I solicit his advice, too. Use his experience as a "sanity check" for my choices in components. My 393" stroker Cleveland was a box of parts that I brought to him for assembly that included everything but rings, bearings and freeze plugs. I asked him to take a look at the combination, the intended usage and see if a different camshaft would be a better choice. He "discovered" what I suspected and that was for the combination, a very slight improvement one way or another could be had with a custom ground camshaft, but the off-the-shelf solid roller cam that I'd found on eBay for $140 was close enough. One of Klein's comments to me was concerning the oil pan. He really liked my choice of pan...not that I had anything to do with the design of it or anything, but that he was going to order up a few for some other engines (brands/types) because of the quality and internal baffling of it. So, if you're trying to suggest that because I pay someone else to assemble my engines that my knowledge is somehow deficient, you're barking up the wrong tree. Tom is a good personal friend of mine and we often talk shop about what works, what doesn't work and what interesting theories we each may have that could work. We like to bounce ideas off of each other, too. He is probably in the top 20 list in the country of engine builders. He is also semi-retired and only builds engines for longtime customers and friends. When he assembles an engine, I know that it will be absolutely right.

If you're wondering why I don't assemble my own engines any more, well that too is easy. The answer is in two parts. I make more money doing what I do than assembling engines so it is more cost effective for me to turn it over to Klein. Secondly, because of my work schedule, it would never get done if I was to assemble my own engines. I don't have the hours to commit to an engine assembly. To do it right takes at least two full days. I typically drop my boxes (or pallets) of parts off at Klein's and tell him "whenever you can get to it, I'm in no hurry." This lets him take more highly prioritized work and do my stuff whenever the mood strikes him. For my current "mostly factory stock parts" 351C project, he's actually picking up the parts today. They are on pallets and wrapped in plastic wrap. I'm traveling, so I can't be there when he picks them up, so my crankshaft guy is coordinating the pick-up. I suppose that in order to fit into your category of expertise, that I'd have to grind my own crankshafts, too?

Originally Posted by michael85

Has it yet to grace a Quarter Mile?

1/4 Mile:8.09 MPH:180.92 60ft:1.12

...first time out. There is more left in it, but I'm not going to be taking it back out until I get my data acquisition unit for it completed. I've been designing the electronics (and related software) for this car and I want to begin capturing the data as early in the process of a new car to see what it can tell me about the entire process of "sorting out" a new car.

Originally Posted by michael85

I have seen C's built with an amazing amount of "stock" parts, built in 'low buck' 2 car garages, by "uneducated" hobbyists, with iron heads, in the low 9s, all motor, carrying a 1000lbs more weight then your $$$ car, season after season.

So...what's your point? Why do you call my car a "$$$ car?" I have a low-buck 2-car garage. My dragster will only fit diagonally in it. I never suggested that I'm some kind of high roller. $15K for the engine (including dyno time) is not a lot of money for an engine with the, as you put it, high dollar parts that are in it. My 520" stroker only cost about $10.5K...it was much less expensive than the small block and made a boat load more power.

Originally Posted by michael85

I do not know if KV ever hit the 9s but I know he was in the 10s with all the 'wrong' parts.

I didn't say that KV was using the wrong parts. You really need to wake up. What I've said in the past is that when building to that power level, factory parts are ify at best. They may last for a long while, or they may turn to crap on the next bounce off of the rev limiter. In fact, I'm currently building an engine using factory rods (with ARP bolts), factory crank, factory block...solid flat tappet camshaft...iron 4V heads...all reasonably low-budget. So what's your problem with people using mostly factory parts? I have a problem when someone brags about making 600+ HP on "junk" (his words) parts and turning it into a hand grenade by losing the bottom end out of it...he even said that it may have been prevented had he magged his crank. Why don't you brag up that aspect of his expertise? Did you miss my direct quotation? Don't get me wrong KV...I've got nothing against reconditioning factory parts.

I suppose that to satisfy the canuck that I'm going to have to make a complete list of both my resume and everyone involved in the process between the concept of the engine build to sitting finished on a stand in my garage? Let's see, the parts counter guy's name at Checker where I bought my sparkplugs....jeez, what was his name?! There are many, many people involved in the process of my engine builds. There is a guy who does my head work. A guy who does my crankshafts. The dyno operator. The parts counter guys at several stores. Several people on eBay. I definitely do not do every aspect of the job myself. I've assembled a good number of engines in my life. It isn't something that I prefer to do when I can pay someone else to do it and still know that it is done right.

Originally Posted by michael85

Is there a link you can provide that gives the history to your 351C expertise?

...where is the link to your 351C expertise? Where is the link to KV's? You act like a Nazi checking "papers" at a checkpoint. "Where iz zee paperz?!" I'm not pushing myself off as a master engine builder who thinks it is fine to run 600 HP on "junk" parts. I've posted my complete engine build, head flow data, camshaft details and performance on the dyno and on the track. I'm just trying to share for the benefit of others. I don't have anything to hide in the combination. I've even posted photos of my home-made headers (from Stahl flanges and bends), not that they're all that pretty! I should take some recent photos, but I've been too busy working on the electronics. I've added the EGT bungs and the O2 sensor bungs and the PCV down-tubes and had them Jet-Hot coated. They look a lot better now!

So tell me canuck, when is the appropriate time to get back on topic?

[1970coupe]

Hey "cactus", stop picking on a fellow canuck!
.........

We're already pissed off about the hockey strike, so cut us some slack.

I guess I'm next on the hit list.

[davis]

Originally Posted by 1970coupe

Hey "cactus", stop picking on a fellow canuck!
.........

We're already pissed off about the hockey strike, so cut us some slack.

I guess I'm next on the hit list.

Who let all of you canucks out of your holes at the same time! I'm not sure that hockey can withstand a strike...I guess we'll find out.

[michael85]

If you used your time more wisely you could easily find a whopping 2 days to assemble a motor.
The time you wasted writing flawed, "War and Peace" length, attack posts in this thread alone could have been put towards a complete rotating assembly.

Anyone can play 'cut n paste'

Tom Klein does assemble all of my engines these days

Then get him in here to talk for you as well.
It is a "bad thing" when you cannot do a simple a task as assemble a hobbyist engine.
Who do you pay to drive it?

What you seem to imply is that I have nothing to do with the process...that I merely shove a check under his door and out pops an engine

I think you pop a few cheques around and out pops an engine.
To me and a few others that equals pretty much no involvement.

I didn't say that KV was using the wrong parts

I said he was going fast with all the wrong parts.
You typed a lot but said very little.

first time out. There is more left in it, but I'm not going to be taking it back out until I get my data acquisition unit for it completed. I've been designing the electronics (and related software) for this car and I want to begin capturing the data as early in the process of a new car to see what it can tell me about the entire process of "sorting out" a new car.

Here is some more time wasting.
RACEPAK makes a fine data aquisition system or two.
You have time to design and manufacture something that is already available if you pop a cheque under a door but do not have the time to do the good part of a car buildup?
Are you paying the electronic version of Mr. Klien to do your work for you in this venture as well?

I'm just trying to share for the benefit of others

For some reason that one made me laugh.

So tell me canuck, when is the appropriate time to get back on topic?

this might be a revelation to you, even though it is pretty obvious to everyone else.
Stay on the topic all the time, or make your own thread.
NO ONE GIVES A FLYING XXXX ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL DISLIKE OF KID.
Take that crap to private email, or private messaging, or personal phone call.

When I first saw the images from your build-up I was impressed.
You have since changed that sentiment to disgust.
Way to go

[davis]

Originally Posted by michael85

Take that crap to private email, or private messaging, or personal phone call.

Take your own advice canuck. You obviously got something against me. You feel that your way of life is superior to mine. Since you're KV's lap dog, why don't you tell us how smart it is to run an unmagged factory cast iron crank at 600 HP? You're barking up the wrong tree shyt licker. Get your nose out of my a$$. Come back when you have something constructive to say. Why is it that this forum attracts idiots like this bloke? You must be sweet on KV. You girls have sleep-overs and everything?

You are a total wannabe. You act like less attention is needed for a simple street/strip engine than a race engine. One of the reasons I use Tom Klein's services, and the services of many others in many aspects of my life, including a yard man, (can't be a real man if you don't mow your own yard?) is because I choose to afford it and because it gives me time to do things that I want to do. If you weren't so busy just throwing punches, you could use your time more wisely, too. How about you take a flying leap off a tall building and call me out when you get to Phoenix. Otherwise, quit barking little dog. You're just making noise.

War and Peace is 1472 pages...at least my copy of it. How exaggerated can you get? OK...so is NOW a good time to get back on topic...or are we going to go another round of this crap on the public forum even after you suggested to take it to PM? Can you live by your own words? Put up or shut up, stupid canuck.

[All Cleveland]

[QUOTE=davis] OK...so is NOW a good time to get back on topic...QUOTE]

What NOW is, is time for you to leave and take your buddy Kato with you.

[Kato Engineering]

i am not going anywhere but the race track......

[davis]

Who pissed on your wheaties...Allen? Climb back into your hole. Get back on topic or walk away. Don't waste my time spewing forth with your nonsense. Have some respect for the forum. ...so is NOW a good time to get back on topic, yet?!

[Kato Engineering]

davis,

I dont think he knows how...





there has been a lot of usefull information here,

............but not too much that can help the guy that started the post.



is he even still around...?

[All Cleveland]

Originally Posted by davis

Who pissed on your wheaties...Allen? Climb back into your hole. Get back on topic or walk away. Don't waste my time spewing forth with your nonsense. Have some respect for the forum. ...so is NOW a good time to get back on topic, yet?!

You and Kato both piss in alot of people's wheaties all the time. You've done more nonsense spewing than anybody I've ever seen on this site and yes you did start it first by jumping on KV when he said nothing that pertained to you at all and was not offensive in any way until you jumped all over him. I think it's about time you and Kato both quit acting like you're better than everyone else because they don't want to or don't have $15,000 to spend on their motor and tell others how they can save money. I can only regret that I'm not a moderator so no one would have to listen to you "spew" any more of these page long posts about things like someone's gramatical ability.